Showing posts with label FBI. Show all posts
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Wednesday, December 17, 2008

Politically Incorrect FBI Bulletins



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Politically Incorrect Holdout:
FBI Most Wanted-Violent Crimes & Murders







Here is the FBI's most wanted: VIOLENT CRIMES - MURDERS


Hmmmm.

Seems to be a lot of Hispanics. Wonder what their immigration status is?

Wonder why we can't find them?

And there sure seem to a lot of Muslim murderers for members of the Religion Of Peace.

Seems to us here at DBKP that allowing illegal immigrants to enter into America with impunity, to rape and kill, then to find safe haven back in Mexico, which not only refuses to extradite them, but won't even arrest them, is beyond foolish. Just about as stupid as allowing Muslims, basically misogynistic barbarians who hate everything about America, Christianity, Judism, and innumerable other elements of our society, into the civilized society.

Of course the excuse is they are just doing the work Americans won't.





Rant

by pat
image: fbi




Friday, September 12, 2008

Caylee Anthony: Thirty Quotes from People Involved in the Caylee Anthony Case



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Quotes by
Casey Anthony, Cindy Anthony, George Anthony, Lee Anthony
Leonard Padilla, Kevin Beary, Greta Van Susteren and others
Including Protesters






"What is given, Can be taken away. Everyone lies. Everyone dies."
--Casey Anthony, in a poem, July 7, 2008


Quotes from the media circus that has surrounded the disappearance of three-year-old Caylee Anthony. Caylee's mother, Casey is a "person of interest" in the case. Grandparents, George and Cindy, have had their home staked out by protesters and the drama continues.

Thirty quotes by the persons involved.


"I'm never going to forgive myself."
--Casey Anthony, to detectives about leaving her daughter, Caylee, with baby sitter Zenaida Gonazlez at the Sawgrass Apartments; July 16 2008



I have someone here that I need to have arrested in my home. There's a possible missing child. I have a three-year-old that's been missing for a month.

CINDY ANTHONY: I told you my daughter was missing for a month. I just found her today, but I can't found my granddaughter. She just admitted to me that she's been trying to find her herself.

There's something wrong. I found my daughter's car today, and it smells like there's been a dead body in the damn car.

--Cindy Anthony, mother of Casey and grandmother of Caylee Anthony, in a 911 call on July 15 2008; A Closer Look at the Caylee Anthony Disappearance Timeline







"Right now, looking at you, I know that everything that you’ve told me is a lie, including the fact that your child was last seen a month ago and that you don’t know where she is. I’m very confident that you know where she is."
--Unnamed detective questioning Casey Anthony, Newly Released Tapes Reveal Police Accusing Caylee's Mom of Lying Early in Investigation; audio tape, July 16 2008



"I have no clue where she is. If I had any sense of where she was at all, none of this would have happened."
--Casey Anthony, interview with detectives, July 16 2008



"Because I don't (expletive) know where she's at. You are kidding me?"
--Casey Anthony, to mother, Cindy in a jailhouse call, Complete Text Of Casey Anthony's Jailhouse Phone Call; July 25 2008



"Because nobody is (expletive) listening to anything that I'm saying. The media misconstrued everything that I said. The (expletive) detectives pulled (expletive) (expletive). They got all of their information from me but at the same time they are twisting stuff. They already said they are going to pin this on me if they don't find Caylee. They've already said that. They arrested me because they said..."
--Casey Anthony, to friend, Kristina Chester, in a jailhouse call, July 25, 2008







"Nobody in my own family is on my side."

--Casey Anthony, to friend, Kristina, in a jailhouse call, July 25, 2008


"She has been kidnapped by a person the local authorities said doesn't exist. There are nine people with that name in Orlando, Florida. There are four people with that name in Winter Haven, Florida and there are people with that name in Miami and four people with that name in New York City and three in the Bronx. So come on folks, someone needs to start listening to my daughter and if it is not the local authorities, will the FBI please get involved in this case and come and interview my daughter like she has been requesting?"
--Cindy Anthony, CBS The Early Show, July 26 2008


"So, I mean, that's still my, my best feeling at the moment. Again, if that changes, obviously I'm going to reach out and say something immediately, but I know Mom will understand this better than anyone that there's that type of bond that you have with your kids.

I did one time [speak with daughter, Caylee], yes, and that was actually the day that Mom had called the police[July 15]."
--Casey Anthony, in a jailhouse call to brother, Lee, Lee Anthony's Jailhouse Call With Casey; released July 28 2008



"Um, I most definitely did [speak with the babysitter, Zenaidia Fernandez Gonzalez]. God, a lot of the times, it was through text messages, so the number would show up even on that. She has also called me from a 407 number, from a 321 number -- there's been different numbers, different times. Not necessarily on different days, but it just depended on the number that she had at the time. The last number that she had called me from that wasn't, uh, the private listing, or that didn't show up "private cell" or "private call," was 954."
--Casey Anthony, in a jailhouse call to brother, Lee, Lee Anthony's Jailhouse Call With Casey; released July 28 2008


"The strain of the current situation will wear on those around her and pressure her [Casey Anthony] to explain her behavior. Because she cannot explain her lies, she will blame everyone else. She will want to flee. She may even reach for religion as a means to cope, and depression is likely to follow. Then police will be able to talk with her to find out what she really knows. Detectives will be able to get information from her. The key for officers is to know her patterns and approach her the right way. If they key in on her personality, they will be able to get her to tell what really happened."
--Criminal profiler, Dr. Deborah Schurman-Kauflin, President of the Violent Crimes Institute, LLC, in an interview with the Criminal Report Daily; August 3 2008


"On June 24, Casey was back at her parents' house, and her father wanted to get something out of the trunk of her car that he was going to use to do some work on another car.

According to George, the father of Casey, Casey showed some resistance to having him go into the trunk of her car. He was rather persistent and finally was able to open the trunk of her car.

And lo and behold, what does he find in the trunk of her car? He finds some gas cans, some gas cans that he had previously reported stolen from the shed in the backyard. Now, he had no idea that Casey had taken the gas cans, and he was surprised to find the gas cans in the back of her car."

--Greta Van Susteren, A Closer Look at the Caylee Anthony Disappearance Timeline; August 11 2008


"All right, here's what happened. 3:00 or 4:00 in the afternoon, brings the car home, pizza smell in the back trunk. No evidence of Caylee, no evidence of Casey.

I didn't have any issues, did I? What time did I make the 911 call? Ok? I found a pair of pants in the back seat. And, by the way, the two pair of shoes were left in the back seat.

I took the pants out, threw them in the wash with other wash that I had that day, not knowing that that might become evidence.

And that night when the police arrived at my house, the first thing I said "I took a pair of pants out of the car and I washed them." Do you think that they cared? No, they didn't care."
--Cindy Anthony, Aug. 11 interview


"Shut Up! Leave us alone!"
--George Anthony, to unnamed reporter, as he was visiting the jail where daughter, Casey Anthony was held, Grandfather of Caylee Anthony has words with Reporter; August 14 2008

"I think what she was trying to do was break away from her parents' home. She's not concerned. You've seen her. Her demeanor is that of a parent who knows her child is safe."
--Sacramento bounty hunter, Leonard Padilla, August 25 2008 Caylee Anthony Mom Casey Arrested Again? Source: "Any Moment"


"I think something accidentally happened … Casey freaked out. I don't know how she solved that problem. But then created this story in her head."
--Amy Huizinga, friend of Casey Anthony, in court documents released August 28 2008.




"FBI lab tests "along with additional evidence that has not been made public, leads investigators to the belief there is a strong probability that Caylee [Anthony] is deceased."
--Orange Co (FL) Sheriff's Department statement, September 1 2008


"We clearly have evidence that indicates there was a dead body in the trunk of Casey [Anthony's] car, and that body was Caylee [Anthony]."
--Orange County Sheriff's Sgt. John Allen, September 2 2008

"We need to try to find some closure on this case. Regardless, whether she's alive or passed away, we need to find Caylee."
--Orange County Sheriff, Kevin Beary; September 4 2008


"Are you really smiling? Your granddaughter's dead."
--protester, to Cindy Anthony, outside the Anthony's home, Protester/Victim of Casey Anthony's Dad - Part 2; September 7 2008


"Tell the truth. Tell the truth."
--Unidentified protester outside the Anthony's home, September 8 2008



"Hold the sermon."
--Grace, in response to George and Cindy Anthony's attorney, Mark Nejame's call to end the media circus, How did Mark NeJame do on Nancy Grace's show?; September 10 2008


"Look for her [Casey Anthony] to turn to religion and either attempt to or speak of fleeing. When she gets to that point, she is most likely to talk about what really happened."
--Criminal profiler, Dr. Deborah Schurman-Kauflin, President of the Violent Crimes Institute, LLC, in an interview with the Criminal Report Daily; September 11 2008


"We are holding on to that little bit of hope that Caylee is still alive. But if not, it's important that her little body is found."
--Tim Miller, EquuSearch, Casey Anthony to leave jail again; September 12 2008



"It is evident his [Tim Miller's] motives were to obtain publicity for his organization [EquuSearch] at the expense of exploiting my granddaughters disappearance. Although I feel his organization has a purpose, his misrepresentation has tainted the efforts of so many people with good intentions. I would have expected Tim Miller to speak with me one on one, rather than me hearing him on Nancy Grace."
--Cindy Anthony, in a release sent by family representative Larry Garrison; September 12 2008




"I wouldn't let my dog go missing for 1 month without looking!"
--Reported sign of protester, Liz Pounders, outside George and Cindy Anthony's house, Recordings of Casey Anthony interviews released; September 12 2008


"This is insane. This is [expletive] insane."
--Cindy Anthony in response to protesters in front of her home


"You can't come out of the house. You're a joke."
--Protester David Marzullo, 27, of Bradenton, shouting at Cindy Anthony

"I do see how the family is breaking down because of the protesters, and if they're broken down enough, I feel like they'll give up and tell the truth."
--Protester Jennifer Tuck, outside the Anthony's home, 'Monsters,' Disruptive Protesters Outside Anthony Home Prompt Suit ; September 12 2008




compiled by Mondoreb
images: Orange Co Sheriff's Dept.; necn

Tuesday, February 19, 2008

DBKP to Ask FBI to Probe Threats on CAIR Hate Site


"They [Council on American Islamic Relations--CAIR] have already been named as unindicted co-conspirators in one terror case. It should surprise no one that we consider them a threat."

--Mondoreb, DBKP



Death by 1000 Papercuts (DBKP) will ask the Washington office of the FBI tomorrow to investigate apparent threats against Israel posted on an anti-LGF Internet hate site.

DBKP is going to ask the FBI to probe what it sees is a terrorist group posing as a front organization and the threat they pose to both America and Israel.

"They're like a pack of rabid dogs," said DBKP editor Mondoreb, "If you saw a pack of wild rabid dogs filing suits and threatening people, you'd call the FBI too."

"DBKP will call the FBI PDQ on CAIR about LGF."

Mondo continued: "Just today on the CAIR website, one of the lead stories was about CAIR delivering 12,000 letters to Congress "calling for an end to Israel."

"CAIR is or was populated with convicted or unindicted terrorists," said DBKP's RidesAPaleHorse.

"We think having terrorist connections is a sign of hate."



From today's CAIR website:
CAIR said today it has collected and is delivering to Congress more than 12,000 letters calling for an end to Israel's "collective punishment" of Palestinian civilians in the Gaza Strip.


The DBKP threat to call the FBI came as a response to CAIR's calls to the FBI to investigate what CAIR felt were threatening comments on anti-Jihad website, Little Green Footballs.

Ginn: You can't mess around with these CAIR guys"


"We were immediately going to contact the FBI when we saw the CAIR press release, but then we figured, the FBI has already investigated them and found connections to terrorists," said DBKP's Ginn.

"What's good's another call today? The FBI's probably already a ton of surveillance on CAIR already and another ton would just be overkill."

"So we'll call tomorrow."



Mondo continued that it was not only the CAIR website that prompted DBKP's action: an Internet photo that showed CAIR officials also had DBKP staff worried.

They (CAIR) "appeared foreign-looking in some pictures."
The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) today asked the St. Louis, Mo., office of the FBI to investigate apparent threats against a local mosque posted on an anti-Muslim Internet hate site.

Because of similar bias-related incidents and lawsuits by CAIR nationwide, DBKP is urging conservative individuals and institutions to review security procedures using advice contained in its "Conservative Community Safety Kit."

The kit should be ready for "worldwide Internet distribution later this week", commented Ginn.

"We're treating this CAIR business like a serious threat."

"This whole CAIR thing just creeps me out."

by Mondoreb
from DBKP staff reports
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Friday, February 8, 2008

Jack Murtha ABSCAM Complete Video

A reminder for the PA campaign trail




Unedited video of Jack Murtha negotiating with FBI agent--Murtha thought he was representing a rich Middle Eastern sheik looking for favors--for his share of ABSCAM bribes.

Video obtained by the American Spectator under the Freedom of Information Act. [Sept 2006]



At about the 11 minute mark, the FBI guy and Murtha get down to brass tacks: how to set up the $50,000 bribe with the least amount of muss and fuss.
Although never indicted or prosecuted, he was named an "unindicted co-conspirator" in the scandal.

"You know, we do business for a while, maybe I'll be interested..." - causing many to question what role he may have played had the operation not been ended early due to media exposure.

Although Murtha's central Pennsylvania constituents have long supported Democrat leader--who branded the Haditha Marines "cold-blooded killers" and has never apologized for the remark--the tape would make for some interesting campaign trail questions, even among the pork-happy Pennsylvanians of Johnstown.

One such question might be, "Congressman Murtha, how long will it be before you will be interested in doing any business with the Haditha Marines?"

by Mondoreb
image: patdollard
Source: Wikipedia - ABSCAM

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Saturday, December 8, 2007

Megan Had It Coming Blog: Edna Bambrick's in Town and You're Gonna Be Sorry!

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The vile little blog 'Megan Had It Coming' is still up and running with a new deputy in town.
Edna Bambrick said...

I HAVE CONTACTED THE FBI AND THE INTERNET POLICE ABOUT THIS BLOG! ANY THREATS AGAINST LORI DREW WILL BE REPORTED TO THE FBI AND DHS! YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!

Who is Edna Bambrick?

This is the first we've ever heard of Ms. Edna. Perusing the "I'm Lori Drew" thread we came across Edna's posts. Edna, it seems, has become Lori Drew's guardian angel.

From Edna's Yahoo 360 Profile:

According to Edna's MySpace (We'll refrain from posting a link) Edna is an older woman who is rumored to be a troll or spammer.

I'm not going to say what I think Edna is, for I fear her methods of revenge. (Tongue in cheek)

By Little Baby Ginn

Source - Megan Had It Coming

By Little Baby Ginn
Image [concise.britannica.com]

Sunday, November 25, 2007

Baby Grace, Riley Sawyers: Our Deepest Sympathy



When it seems that our sorrow is too great to be borne, let us think of the great family of the heavy-hearted into which our grief has given us entrance, and inevitably, we will feel about us, their arms and their understanding.

Helen Keller


We at DBTP want to extend our deepest sympathy to the family of Riley Sawyers. Our thoughts and prayers are with you.

LBG, Mondo, and RAPH


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Thursday, November 22, 2007

Baby Grace And The Little Lost Girl, Riley Sawyers



The strange and baffling case of Baby Grace, the name given to the unidentified body of a little girl found October 29 on Galveston Bay, now has an added twist.

It was determined by autopsy that Baby Grace was between the ages of 2-4 with light brown to blond hair. In their attempt to solve the mystery of who Baby Grace is the local Galveston County Sheriff's Department and the FBI turned to cases of little girls reported missing that were close to Baby Grace's description.
GALVESTON — Investigators have requested DNA samples from the families of eight missing children, one of them from Spring, who fit the description of Baby Grace, a 2- to 3-year-old girl whose body was found in a plastic box on a sandbar in West Galveston Bay.

After receiving about 350 leads, investigators chose the eight cases from among 110 cases of missing children who matched the girl's description, Galveston County sheriff's spokesman Maj. Ray Tuttoilmondo said Wednesday.

The eight cases are from all over the United States, he said.

Authorities requested a DNA sample from the father and mother of the Spring girl, Tuttoilmondo said. The father lives in Ohio and the mother lives in Spring, he said.
DNA results from Baby Grace are expected late this week or early next week. Tuttoilmondo did not know whether the DNA samples from the Spring girl's father had been received. He said it takes two to three weeks to obtain DNA results once the samples arrive at the lab. [1]
The authorities didn't know little Riley Sawyers was missing until her father, Robert Sawyers, and grandmother Sheryl Sawyers in Ohio happened to see the story of Baby Grace and the sketch supplied by the authorities.



Who is Riley Sawyers?

Riley’s mother Kim had moved to Spring, Texas, last summer taking 2 1/2-year-old Riley with her.
Sheryl Sawyers told the station 2-year-old Riley Ann Sawyers moved to Texas with her mother, Kim Sawyers, last summer, after meeting a man on the Internet.

Since Riley was born, she and her mother were living with Sheryl Sawyers, Riley's paternal grandmother; however, Sheryl Sawyers said neither she nor her son, Robert, have heard from Kim since she moved Texas, MyFoxCleveland reports.

This week, Kim Sawyers told Texas police someone from Ohio came with papers demanding custody of the little girl and took her, the station reports. According to MyFoxCleveland, she never checked into the validity of the person.[2]
Riley’s Story
The Sawyers family can't sleep. Ever since they found out about the unidentified body of a girl in Galveston, Texas, the nightmares began to intensify.

Last summer, 2 1/2 year old Riley Sawyers went missing in Texas. Sheryl Sawyers had been helping her son and his girlfriend, Kimberly Zigler, raise the child. Last summer, Kimberly suddenly moved the child to Spring, Texas.

Kimberly had apparently met a new lover on the internet as she played the game, "World of Warcraft". Royce Zigler convinced Kim to move to Texas with her child.

A few months later, Kimberly Zigler told family members that a social worker from Ohio had taken Riley away from her last summer. However, no agency in Ohio has any information on removing any child from Texas.

Riley's grandmother doesn't buy Kim's story.

"To hand your child over and not call police and not file a missing person's report," said Sawyers. "It doesn't make sense."

Ray Sawyers, Riley's grandfather added, "That tells me something's fishy and something's suspicious. Very!" [3]
Riley Sawyers is missing

A little girl is now missing. Who is in charge of investigating her case in Harris County, separate from the Galveston County Sheriff's Department and the FBI whose focus is on identifying Baby Grace?

If Riley’s mother’s tale were true, that she thought she was handing her daughter over to someone from Ohio Social Services, the fact remains that the state of Ohio checked into her claim and said no one from their state is involved. This would make Riley's case an abduction by a stranger.

Riley’s information would have been added to the Amber Alert, to organizations such as National Center For Missing Or Exploited Children. The Harris County Sheriff’s Department would have begun a missing person’s case on Riley. A stranger abduction case means the child is in imminent danger.

On the other hand, Riley’s mother cannot produce her little girl and may have given a false statement as to the whereabouts of Riley. When a little three-year-old girl has disappeared and the custodial parent, Riley’s mother, cannot prove the child’s whereabouts shouldn’t the authorities launch a full-scale investigation of their own?

Shouldn’t there be some kind of concern for the health and welfare of little Riley Sawyers other than waiting for results from a DNA test which could take anywhere from one to three weeks?

DNA results from Baby Grace are expected late this week or early next week. Tuttoilmondo did not know whether the DNA samples from the Spring girl's father had been received. He said it takes two to three weeks to obtain DNA results once the samples arrive at the lab. [1]

“Two to three weeks to obtain DNA results”




A little three-year-old girl from Spring, Texas is missing, either abducted by a stranger or is possibly Baby Grace. Will the police begin an official investigation into where Riley is and/or what happened to her other than waiting "one to three weeks for the DNA results" to return? If she is not the dead Baby Grace in Galveston then time is wasting, evidence will disappear, as perhaps, those who are involved, will slip away too.

By LBG

Image [1] [MyFox Cleveland]
Image [2] [Galveston County Sheriff's Department]

Source [1]– Houston Chronicle – DNA samples may offer clue to Baby Grace’s identity

Source – [2] – Fox News.com - Ohio Family Thinks They Know Identity of 'Baby Grace'
Source – [3] - wkyc.com - Is 'Baby Grace' really 'Baby Riley' from Menton, Ohio?

MORE BABY GRACE-RILEY SAWYERS:
NEW: Baby Grace, Riley Sawyers: Possible Match

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See Baby Grace news ticker in upper left-hand corner of this page.

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Tuesday, November 20, 2007

Baby Grace: FBI Reward Comparison


The FBI and Galveston County Sheriff's Office announced today a $20,000 Reward in the Baby Grace Case.

"We believe this $20,000 will provide additional incentive for someone to come forward, FBI agent John Kinard said at a news conference today at the Galveston Sheriff's Department

Kinard said the offer was unique because most rewards are for information leading to the arrest and conviction of someone who committed a crime.

The unusual reward was being offered because of "the unique nature of the victim," Kinard said.

"We have never had a case where we have had an unidentified body for this period of time," said Sheriff's Sgt. Mike Barry, lead investigator.

Source - FBI offers $20,000 reward in Baby Grace Case

We thought we'd do some digging on other rewards being offered by the FBI.

BALTIMORE, Maryland (CNN) -- The FBI Friday announced a reward of up to $100,000 for information that will help federal agents determine whether the brutal death of federal prosecutor Jonathan Luna was a homicide, suicide, or a random act of violence.
Source - CNN - FBI reward in prosecutor's death

SAN FRANCISCO -- An additional $50,000 has been added to the reward for finding the hit-and-run driver responsible for the March 2006 death of 27-year-old Ashlyn Dyer in San Francisco, the FBI announced Wednesday.

According to the FBI, Dyer was struck at around 6:50 a.m. on March 2, 2006 as she jogged on Washington Boulevard near Kobbe Avenue in the San Francisco's Presidio. The force of impact threw Dyer over a fence where she likely hit her head on a concrete culvert, the FBI reported.

Dyer never regained consciousness and died in the hospital as a result of her injuries ten days later, according to the FBI.

The additional reward money added by the FBI brings the total reward to $100,000 for information leading to the identification, arrest, and prosecution of the driver who struck and killed Dyer. The FBI reward adds to rewards offered last year by the city of San Francisco, the Presidio Trust and the Ashlyn Dyer Foundation.
Source - FBI Adds To Reward For Presidio Hit-And-Run Driver


November 29, 2005 - A $25,000 reward is being offered for information leading to the arrest of the so-called 'Wheaton Bandit' who has been holding up west suburban banks since January of 2002. The FBI believes he struck again Monday.

Source - ABC7Local - FBI offers reward for capture of 'Wheaton Bandit'

In summary, a $25,000 Reward for information leading to arrest of a bank robber. A $50,000 reward in finding the hit-and-run driver in the death of a 27 yr-old woman. A $100,000 for information in determining if the death of a prosecutor was homicide, suicide, or a random act of violence.

And then there's Baby Grace. A little girl between the ages of 3 and 4. Her dead body found wrapped in plastic, stuffed in a plastic tote, found on a deserted island near Galveston, Texas. To the FBI, Baby Grace is worth $20,000.

By Little Baby Grace



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Baby Grace:
FBI To Now Announce $20,000 Reward


Someone must listened. The power of the suggestion.

Two days ago, we wrote a piece taking the FBI to task in the "Baby Grace" case for offering a reward that could only be found by digging into their website documents.

The story was tops on Google and apparently somebody listened: 36 hours later, the FBI has scheduled a news conference for later this morning to formally announce the reward.

Perhaps the reward will somehow help identify who this little girl is.

From the Police News:
The Galveston County Sheriff's Office and the FBI will hold a news conference this morning at 10:30 to update the media on the Baby Grace investigation and to formally announce the $20K reward posted by the FBI.

The press conference will be held at the Sheriff's office in the Criminal Justice Center.


Our original story:


FBI Offers $20,000 Reward But Issues No Press Release


The Madeline McCann Connection: What the Definitive Answer?

We’ve been following the story of Baby Grace, the little girl whose body was found on a small inlet on Galveston Bay. A fisherman discovered her October 29th encased in a blue plastic tote that came to rest on a sand bar.

The FBI has a reward of $20,000 for information leading to the identity of Baby Grace. It was tacked onto a poster released by the FBI. It is unknown what date the FBI put out this flier. Although the reward is on the flier, no press release was issued concerning the reward.

The Galveston County Sheriff’s Department has not released any further info on the Baby Grace case. The last known press release was November 12th when CBS News put out its story, “Police Flooded With Baby Grace Tips.”

Why isn't the local press pursuing this? Where's the Houston Chronicle?

The police are sifting through clues and tips; have they ruled any of the little girls they are considering out? There have been no new statements; this does not mean that parents of the missing girls across the country have lost interest in developments in this case.
Read the Rest of the story: "FBI Offers $25,000 Dollar Reward, But Doesn't Announce It".

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Monday, November 19, 2007

REPORT:
Pedophiles Use Ganglike Symbols To Identify Their Taste in Children


Pedophiles are mimicking the behavior of inner-city violent gangs. They use distinct, seemingly-innocuous symbols to communicate who they are, their preferences in children--boy, girl or baby--and to designate safe havens.

They don't use the red or black or blue of their more violent brethren. Their markers have soft hues of blue, pink or a combination of both.

They don't use bandannas or baggy pants. Satisfaction and safety come in the forms of hearts, butterflies and triangles.

Their names speak of brightness, happiness even: "Blogo", "Glogo" and "Chlogo". What they represent for both the predator and their prey is sober and haunting.

The above illustration is a sample of a pamphlet available at a European site which serves as a sort of clearinghouse and Internet meeting place for pedophiles and those espousing a "child love" lifestyle. The site is hosted in one of the Benelux countries--Belgium, the Netherlands or Luxembourg--and offers a variety of services to it's users.

In researching this story, we slogged through some dark and disturbing places that served as hang-outs for equally disturbed people. The trips to sites catering to pedophiles could not be avoided: the FBI documents provided no graphics of these sad and sickening symbols, only descriptions.

We went through thousands of symbols on hundreds of search pages looking for them initially. Google "blogo" and it's discovered that there are over six and a half million references. After 40 pages of symbols, the searcher would still would still be searching. The same result would be had after 70 pages.

Later we learned that "GLogo" worked much better and "BLogo" only had 642 possible pictures. One example was found at Boy Chat.org. It's displayed prominently on the site, a "boylovers who need a forum for boy love chat and discussion". It was one of the more subdued sites we visited.

BoyChat.org also offers a BoyWiki. At first, the site was exited without knowing what types of information the BoyWiki contained. After some thought, the site was re-entered. One doesn't have to be squeamish to be thankful the BoyWiki was off-line at that time.

We felt it was important for parents and children alike to know what these logos look like. There are three child pornographer's signs; each is used to designate the bearer's taste in boys, girls or babies.

Pedophiles and those who "produce, distribute, and trade child pornography use special logos to identify sexual preferences according to an internal FBI document. The document, "Symbols and Logos Used By Pedophiles" was found on Spanish "childhood erotica" networks by Wikileaks.

Wikileaks.org is a website that purportedly allows whistle blowers to anonymously release government and corporate documents, allegedly without possible retribution.

Wikileaks obtained the document via Spanish "childhood erotica" networks. According to Wikileaks, the unclassified parts of the document were only briefly published by the Ann Arbor, Michigan police department in a newsletter, which was later removed from the Internet.


Three "logos" or "symbols" were mentioned:


The first logo, 'The BoyLover logo' (BLogo) "is a small blue spiral-shaped triangle surrounded by a larger triangle, whereby the small triangle represents a small boy and the larger triangle represents an adult man. A variation of the BLogo is the Little Boy Lover logo (LBLogo), which also embodies a small spiral-shaped triangle within a larger triangle; however, the corners of the LBLogo are rounded to resemble a scribbling by a young child," said the document.


The second logo, 'The GirlLover logo' (GLogo) is "a small heart surrounded by a larger heart, which symbolizes a relationship between an adult male or female and minor girl," the document stated.

The last logo, 'The ChildLover logo' (CLogo), "resembles a butterfly and represents non-preferential gender child abusers," added the document.



Image - CLogo.org

In our search for an image of the logos we found the website CLogo.org. An interesting find.

CLogo Images
Images of the CLogo can be found here.
The CLogo is a 'butterfly hearts logo' which is used by many to show their solidarity with the four proposed guidelines for physical intimacy in friendships between children and adults. The logo has been registered with the Benelux Trademarks Office since 15 February, 2002.

1. consent of both child and adult,
2. openness towards the parents of the child,
3. freedom for the child to withdraw from the relationship at any moment,
4. harmony with the child's development.

Source - CLogo.org

These are the symbols. We saw illustrations of necklaces, bracelets, and stickers featuring these calling cards of pedophilia. They are all well-known in the world in which they are used. If you have children and see someone wearing one, perhaps as a necklace, take notice.

They serve as a symbol of sickness for the bearer.

But they also serve as a warning for the knowing.

by Little Baby Ginn & Mondoreb


NOTE: This report could have easily been three or four times its length. However, after discussion, it was decided that the primary purpose of this report was to inform and publicize these symbols, especially to parents and children.

Any additional information would have only illustrated depravity and sickness. Most people we know would have a better day without the knowledge. Some may think that is not being a good reporter; that somehow the public wouldn't be served without their knowing it.

If anyone is curious or desires more information, they will be able to do the research on their own. The links and pictures in this story will get them started. We've put this subject away.

We delayed and finally, hurried to finish the story. We had no visions of journalistic excellence; only visions of a long shower.

We'd had enough of that shadowy, forlorn world, with its innocent-looking hearts and butterflies in soft, delicate pastels, to do us for a long, long while.

By LBG


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Sunday, November 18, 2007

Baby Grace: FBI Offers $20,000 Reward

The Madeleine McCann Connection


FBI Offers $20,000 Reward But Issues No Press Release

The Madeline McCann Connection: What the Definitive Answer?

We’ve been following the story of Baby Grace, the little girl whose body was found on a small inlet on Galveston Bay. A fisherman discovered her October 29th encased in a blue plastic tote that came to rest on a sand bar.

The FBI has a reward of $20,000 for information leading to the identity of Baby Grace. It was tacked onto a poster released by the FBI. It is unknown what date the FBI put out this flier. Although the reward is on the flier, no press release was issued concerning the reward.

The Galveston County Sheriff’s Department has not released any further info on the Baby Grace case. The last known press release was November 12th when CBS News put out its story, “Police Flooded With Baby Grace Tips.”

Why isn't the local press pursuing this? Where's the Houston Chronicle?

The police are sifting through clues and tips; have they ruled any of the little girls they are considering out? There have been no new statements; this does not mean that parents of the missing girls across the country have lost interest in developments in this case.

Last Press Story Released on Baby Grace
Investigators on Monday said at least two dozen girls reported missing from across the country match the physical description of the child investigators have named "Baby Grace."

Investigators were pursuing 170 active leads and on Monday were conducting follow-up interviews with people who had given promising clues, Galveston County Sheriff’s Office spokesman Maj. Ray Tuttoilmondo said, according to the Galveston County Daily News.

Source - Federal Bureau of Investigation Seeking Information – Baby Grace


Last Press Story Released on Baby Grace


Investigators on Monday said at least two dozen girls reported missing from across the country match the physical description of the child investigators have named "Baby Grace."

Investigators were pursuing 170 active leads and on Monday were conducting follow-up interviews with people who had given promising clues, Galveston County Sheriff’s Office spokesman Maj. Ray Tuttoilmondo said, according to the Galveston County Daily News.

Source – Death By 1000 Papercuts – Baby Grace: Hundreds of Tips Flood Police

The FBI offered a $20,000 reward and no mention of it is in the papers.

Meanwhile, many people in England want to know about the Madeline McCann/Baby Grace connection: Is Madeline McCann in or out as a possible match?

The Baby Grace - Madeleine McCann Connection
“We do not believe she is from our area, because no one local has reported a missing child matching this description," Cindy said. "She could be from anywhere in the world. There are ships that pass through here, so she could be from anywhere."

Source: CrimeLibrary: Texas EquuSearch Trying To Identify 'Baby Grace'


Early in the Baby Grace Case it was reported the possibility that Baby Grace could be Madeleine McCann, the little girl allegedly abducted May 3rd, 2007, in Portugal.

Tuttoilmondo added that several callers said they believe the child's body, which was discovered by a fisherman late Monday, may be that of Madeleine McCann, a 4-year-old British girl whose disappearance from a resort hotel in Portugal in May has made international headlines. In September, Portuguese police formally identified Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann as suspects in the case.

"Based on the totality of the circumstances, we do not believe it's her (Madeleine)," Tuttoilmondo said adding that the Sheriff's Office is also working with FBI authorities to completely rule out the possibility.

Source – Baby Grace Timeline – She Could Be From Anywhere In The World

Tuttoilmondo has since ruled out the Baby Grace – Madeleine McCann angle.

"We're confident it's not her [Madeleine]," Major Ray Tuttoilmondo, spokesman for the Galveston Sheriff's Department, told Fox News, adding, "We're still going through known missing person cases. It's a long process. Can I say absolutely she is not a known missing person? No. We are getting tips literally from all over the country. We're going through every single one. This tells me that people are concerned.

Source – The Crime Library – Texas EquuSearch Trying To Indentify Baby Grace
The Galveston County Sheriff's Department and the FBI are sifting through hundreds of tips and possible matches to cases of missing girls. We've been rather surprised at the lack of information coming from both the sheriff's office and the FBI plus the lack of interest by the local papers in following up on this story.

NEW: "FBI NOW Announces $25,000 Reward"

>By LBG

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Thursday, November 15, 2007

Ron Paul Dollars:
FBI, Secret Service Raid Liberty Dollar
--An Old Adversary




FBI, Secret Service Seize Thousands of Coins in Raid

Two Tons of Ron Paul Dollars Seized

How did a long-simmering philosophical and legal difference of opinion between a private coin organization and the United States Government spill over into the 2008 presidential elections?

THE HEADLINES FROM EARLIER TODAY
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FBI Raid Seizes 2 Tons of Ron Paul Dollars and the UPDATES

The joint FBI/Secret Service raid on Evansville, IN-based Liberty Dollars earlier caused a stir in the blogosphere today. The disturbance had to do with the fact that among the items seized by the Agents were nearly 2 tons of Ron Paul dollars.

The mere mention of Ron Paul fires most people up into a Ohio State-Michigan football-like frenzy. This news likely will cause two bitter rival cults, the Pro- and anti-Paul commentators to further furious action.

A number of views have already been presented at DBKP about this story and its connection to the Ron Paul presidential campaign. Some are for and some are against; trying to weave them into a single tapestry makes one dizzy.

It seems sensible to look at the background first. Then, we'll examine the other points one at a time, try to maintain an even balance and let the readers make up their own minds.

This is largely the tale of the fight between Liberty Dollar and the U.S. Government. As some of us feel that the Paul campaign's involvement was incidental at most, we'll leave that for a later article.

WHY WAS LIBERTY DOLLAR RAIDED?

Liberty Dollar has been involved in an ongoing struggle with various divisions of the federal government for awhile now. The source of their dispute is whether Liberty Dollar (once named NORFED--National Organization for the Repeal of the Federal Reserve Act and the Internal Revenue Code) is creating its own currency system to compete with the government.

The man who signed the letters that went out from Liberty today was Bernard von NotHaus. Keep his name in mind.

From NORFED's Historical site:
Please be aware that this is the historic site for NORFED, that distributed the Liberty Dollar (1998 to 2006). Since its founding by Bernard von NotHaus, the Liberty Dollar has consistently gathered momentum by becoming more main stream.


The emphasis at Liberty seems to be on using the coins as a sort of "value preservative." That is, the coins would ensure that the holder had something of value in case of a collapse of federally-backed paper money.

They also argue that the coins can be exchanged for goods at certain merchants who willingly take them to support the idea as another way of having something of value in case of a crash.

There is a lot of stock market, money system collapse conversations among the fanciers of coins. Liberty talks this point up.
From NORFED's web page:
Andrew Williams, a spokesman for the Federal Reserve in Washington, D.C.:

"There is no law that says goods and services must be paid for with Federal Reserve notes. Parties entering into a transaction can establish any medium of exchange that is agreed upon."

Paul Harvey, well-known and respected news commentator, reported:

What's new? The Liberty Dollar! Fed Ex competes with the Post Office. So now there's the Liberty Dollar competing with the greenbacks printed by your government. The Liberty Dollar is backed by gold and silver. Yes, there's a competitive currency right here in the United States. In five years it has become the second most popular currency in America.

100,000 Liberty Dollar supporters:

REAL Money's got the look, the feel, and the real value. Because it is REAL Gold and Silver. I use it every day! And so can you!
So apparently, Liberty is selling something some people want. They also think it has value, especially if those people think the money system is in jeopardy.

Also from NORFED's web page:
Hi. My name is Bernard von NotHaus. I was so concerned about what is happening to our "money" that I designed and developed the Liberty Dollar. For 25 years, I was the Mintmaster at the Royal Hawaiian Mint and have devoted my life to the study of money, why it is valuable, and how we use it to fulfill our dreams. Like you, I am paying a lot higher gas prices, but I am also making a lot more money because I am using the Liberty Dollar. Here is what G. Edward Griffin, the noted author on the Federal Reserve said:

On page 573 of "The Creature from Jekyll Island", I wrote that before we could abandon Federal Reserve Notes, we first had to be able to convert them into real money. I said: "That means we must create an entirely new money supply which is 100% backed by precious metal; and we must do so in a reasonably short period of time." Well you have to be careful what you recommend, because Bernard von NotHaus did exactly that. And although I initially thought there were too many obstacles, to my surprise, the more I studied the details of his plan, the more convinced I was that by Jove, it just might work! My business, The Reality Zone, is a Liberty Associate, and I urge you to get in on the ground floor and join this growing group of concerned Americans as a Liberty Associate now!
This is all a little off the beaten path for most people, but doesn't sound scary enough for a full FBI/Secret Service raid. Wouldn't a couple agents have done the trick?

Perhaps not.

Where does Ron Paul fit into all of this?

Very peripherally, at the most. His likeness is on the Ron Paul Dollar, which has many admirers of the Libertarian stripe. Liberty is like any other business. They go with what is Hot. And in Libertarian circles, and all over the countr--because of the election campaign--Hot is Ron Paul.

So Dr. Paul gets his mug on a coin.

Which Liberty made.

Which federal agents raided today.

And took almost 2 tons of coins with Ron Paul's likeness on them.

The trouble between Liberty and the U.S. Government's been brewing for awhile (NORFED started in 1998), but it really got warmer last year. An article from USA Today entitled "Feds Lower the Boom on Alternative Money":
The government Thursday warned consumers and businesses that it is illegal to use alternative money known as "Liberty Dollar" coins, which organizers promote as a competitor to the almighty dollar.

"We don't want consumers to be fooled," U.S. Mint spokeswoman Becky Bailey says, noting U.S. Attorneys offices across the USA have noticed a marked increase in inquiries about the coins.
The article went on to say that Liberty wouldn't roll over and play dead. Philosophical principles were at stake.

It also goes on to detail a few of the government's objections.
The coins' producers vowed to fight the government's decision.

Evansville, Ind.-based National Organization for the Repeal of the Federal Reserve Act and the Internal Revenue Code, otherwise known as NORFED, has been making the Liberty Dollar coins for eight years and claims $20 million is in circulation. The group says the money, unlike official U.S. cash, has a hedge against inflation because it is made almost entirely of silver and is backed by stocks of silver and gold in a vault in Idaho.

The coins are then spent by the group's 2,500 Liberty Associates in stores run by fellow supporters or are accepted unknowingly by clerks who are unaware they are not receiving real money.

The Justice Department has determined that use of Liberty Dollars, which come in varying denominations, "is a crime," according to the Mint, which issued a rare public warning Thursday.

"The United States Mint is the only entity that can produce coins," Bailey says.

The Mint notes the coins share some resemblances to real money, such as the term "Trust in God" instead of "In God We Trust" and use of a torch in the design. Such similarities may confuse people into thinking the money is real, the Mint says.

But NORFED says it will challenge the government, arguing it has never claimed Liberty Dollars were official money and that it has a right to offer an alternative.

"The designs and verbiage ... are original and are not copies of any U.S. Mint currency," NORFED Executive Director Michael Johnson said in a statement.

It's unclear how many people or businesses are unknowingly holding Liberty Dollars, which cannot be exchanged for real money at banks.

In a case in Buffalo, a man and his son are set to go on trial next month after they knowingly tried to buy beer at a Buffalo Sabres hockey game with Liberty Dollars.

The Mint did not say if government officials will seek to prosecute individuals or NORFED after its warning.

Reed Runk, part-owner of Kendall Funk & Bismark Jewelers in Chambersburg, Pa., says the store has been accepting Liberty Dollars for about a year and has sold a few as well. Runk says the store will continue to accept and sell the coins.

"We just feel that they are something that educates people as to what the monetary systems are like in the world, that they are a fiat system, that if people lose faith in them, they will collapse," he says. Besides, "They are a good-looking coin."
So the battle lines are forming: Liberty and the people who distrust big government on one side; big government on the other.

Earlier this year, things got hotter still for Liberty. From Hot Items at the U.S. Mint's website:
The National Organization for the Repeal of the Federal Reserve Act and the Internal Revenue Code (NORFED) is producing and marketing gold and silver medallions that NORFED calls "Liberty Dollars." The United States Mint and the United States Department of Justice have received inquiries regarding the legality of these so-called "Liberty Dollar" medallions. The United States Mint urges consumers who are considering the purchase or use of these items to be aware that they are not genuine United States Mint bullion coins and they are not legal tender. These medallions are privately produced products and are not backed by, nor affiliated in any way with, the United States Government. Moreover, prosecutors with the Department of Justice have determined that the use of these gold and silver NORFED "Liberty Dollar" medallions as circulating money is a Federal crime.

Consumers may find advertisements for these medallions confusing and should take note of several issues related to them.

First, the advertisements refer to the product as "real money" and "currency." These medallions might look like real money because they—

* Bear the inscriptions, "Liberty," "Dollars," "Trust in God" (similar to "In God We Trust"), and "USA" (similar to "United States of America"), and an inscription purporting to denote the year of production; and


* Depict images that are similar to United States coins, such as the torch on the reverses of the current dime coin, 1986 Statute of Liberty commemorative silver dollar and 1993 Bill of Rights commemorative half-dollar, and the Liberty Head designs on the obverses of United States gold coins from the mid-1800s to the early 1900s.

However, despite their misleading appearance, NORFED "Liberty Dollar" medallions are not genuine United States Mint coins and they are not legal tender.

Second, the advertisements confusingly refer to NORFED "Liberty Dollar" medallions as "legal" and "constitutional." However, under the Constitution ( Article I, section 8, clause 5 ), Congress has the exclusive power to coin money of the United States and to regulate its value. By statute ( 31 U.S.C. § 5112(a) ), Congress specifies the coins that the Secretary of the Treasury is authorized to mint and issue and requires the Secretary to carry out these duties at the United States Mint (31 U.S.C. § 5131). Accordingly, the United States Mint is the only entity in the United States with the lawful authority to mint and issue legal tender United States coins.

Under 18 U.S.C. § 486, it is a Federal crime to utter or pass, or attempt to utter or pass, any coins of gold or silver intended for use as current money except as authorized by law. According to the NORFED website, "Liberty merchants" are encouraged to accept NORFED "Liberty Dollar" medallions and offer them as change in sales transactions of merchandise or services. Further, NORFED tells "Liberty associates" that they can earn money by obtaining NORFED "Liberty Dollar" medallions at a discount and then can "spend [them] into circulation." Therefore, NORFED’s "Liberty Dollar" medallions are specifically intended to be used as current money in order to limit reliance on, and to compete with the circulating coinage of the United States. Consequently, prosecutors with the United States Department of Justice have concluded that the use of NORFED’s ";Liberty Dollar" medallions violates 18 U.S.C. § 486.


Liberty isn't the only alternative currency in the U.S. From Wikpedia's entry on Liberty Dollar:
The Liberty Dollar is a private currency embodied in minted metal pieces and gold & silver certificates (ALD), and electronic currency (eLD). It is distributed by Liberty Services (formerly NORFED), based in Evansville, Indiana. The company that mints and warehouses Liberty Dollars is [1] in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho. The Liberty Dollar was created by Bernard von NotHaus, the co-founder of the Royal Hawaiian Mint Company.[
ALTERNATE CURRENCIES
A number of alternative currencies exist in the United States, including the Liberty Dollar, Phoenix Dollars, Ithaca Hours, and digital gold currency. Unlike most other alternative currencies, both Liberty Dollars and Phoenix Dollars are denominated by weight and backed by a commodity. Phoenix Dollars are backed exclusively by silver, while there are both gold and silver backed Liberty Dollars. Liberty Dollars differ from other alternative currencies in that they carry a suggested US dollar face value.
Things got real hot for Liberty today and that's where we stand at the moment.

Liberty struck a coin with the image of Ron Paul, lots of people bought it and then the raid came down. It says on the Liberty website that $2300 of the proceeds from the sale of the Ron Paul dollars will be donated to the Ron Paul campaign.

That seems to be the lone tie-in with the Ron Paul campaign.

If the 2008 campaign season has focused on anything, it's focused on guilt by association. With the campaigning starting so abnormally early, there is scarce to write about of real news value.

That leaves pundits with a couple things with which to fill their space: polls, fund-raising and "scandals".

The polls are issued seemingly every day, with Rasmussen, CNN, and a host of others filling up space with what people think they will do a year from now.

The fund-raising is treated as if it's the score in a basketball game. Little can be gleaned from early fund-raising except which campaign is better organized. Four years ago, the writers today proclaiming Hillary Clinton as "unstoppable" are the same ones who then confidently predicted that Howard Dean was the Next Big Thing.

Dean's early success at fund-raising was their proof. Dean was one of the first to tap into the Internet to reach fund-raisers and got a head start. But by February, he was winded and John Kerry cruised to the Democrat nomination.

The third item is scandal and it usually involves a procedure that goes something like this:
1- Someone is discovered to have something "bad" in their past--crime, drugs, corruption, bad breath--that taints them.
2- The "bad" person is tied to a candidate's campaign in some way. Rudy Guiliani and Fred Thompson are the latest to feel that sting.
3- Calls ring out for the candidate to denounce the offender. It's a form of political "shunning".
4- Everyone forgets about it and looks for another scandal target. Repeat and rinse.

BACK TO LIBERTY:
So now look for calls to the Paul campaign to denounce a small coin dealer who's run afoul of the federal government. There has been no convictions in this case--no one except the government even knows the charges. If there are any convictions, it may be because federal agents seized almost everything of worth at Liberty Dollar today: computers, files, money, gold and silver.

It's hard enough fighting a federal charge, but it's even harder when the federal government seizes all your assets.

Makes one wish they had put back some Liberty Dollars for a rainy day.

[There is much more information and background on this battle between Government and Liberty. This story will have the gaps filled in as more information about the specific charges and Liberty's response to them becomes known. It will be updated over the next several weeks until it is more or less a complete narrative.--Ed.]

[NOTE: We will also proofread more carefully later; we will claim deadlines and all that. Truth is: we're tired.]

by Mondoreb
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An in-depth look at the exact terms the government is using to define this issue and a good look at the raid overall is presented by Wake Up America in Spree's piece, "Federal Raid on Liberty Dollar Seizes Illegal Ron Paul Currency"

trackback to Wake Up America.

ALSO, Chucky at Policitco has an article, "Ron Paul's Supporters Get Busted for Illegal Money". It's a pretty good look at what promises to be a zealous anti-government Liberty against the federal government showdown. At the end of the piece is a round-up of links that could serve as a nice primer for anyone interested in cramming on the upcoming David vs. Goliath court battle.

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FBI Surprise Raid Seizes 2 Tons of Ron Paul Dollars - UPDATE



UPDATES: Surprise FBI Raid Seizes 2 Tons of Ron Paul Dollars

Updates to our original story above. One from Italy where the writer makes a valid point. Not the one about George Bush being jealous: that's gratuitous Bush-bashing at its European finest.

The one about the FBI conducting the raid in the first place.
[NOTE: In the copy of the letter we saw from Liberty Coin, the Secret Service was involved in the raid also. However, this wasn't referenced in the following report.]
From URU Net, Italy:
"FBI Raids Liberty Dollar"
Webmaster's comment: Thet the FBI carried out this raid suggests a political motive. Maybe Goerge Bush was jealous because nobody wants to put his face on coins (just toilet paper). If the Liberty Dollar was really an illegal form of currency, the raid would have been carried out by the Treasury Department and Secret Service.
This from the Western Standard:
"L. Ron Paul Supporters Raided by FBI"
Why? Well, this company was minting coins and issuing paper notes claiming to be "dollars" and which, at least in the case of the coins, might easily have been taken by individuals for notes and coins issued by the Mint or the Federal Reserve.

Perhaps even more hillariously, given the intended market for these things, it appears that the minted gold, silver, and bronze coins were being told at markups of between 25% and 400% on the actual value of the precious metals contained therein. The only thing worse than a Goldbug is a stupid Goldbug and, apparently, these people were that in droves.

Now, Ron Paul's smarter supporters will attempt to distance themselves from such a disreputable operation. They can try and do that, of course - but, frankly, it will be difficult to with fifty pages of teeth gnashing from L. Ron's supporters about the raid. Moreover, any claim that Ron Paul didn't approve of or support this ought to be viewed skeptically in view of the fact that these people have been marketing these coins using his name and likeness since July at the very earliest.


More as they become available.
by Mondoreb
& Little Baby Ginn
[image: Libertydollars]

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