Showing posts with label justice. Show all posts
Showing posts with label justice. Show all posts

Friday, June 27, 2008

American Justice Tomorrow Seen Today in Britain

'Speak when you're spoken to!' The Queen sharply interrupted her.

'But if everybody obeyed that rule,' said Alice, who was always ready for a little argument, 'and if you only spoke when you were spoken to, and the other person always waited for you to begin, you see nobody would ever say anything, so that -- '

--Lewis Carroll




British Justice. Broken

Ever wonder where the American Justice system will wind up?

How about the propensity of Judges to disregard legislation, make up law, tell elected officials how to run the nation? Apparently, they inhabit a make-believe world wherein they are kings.

What about the tendency of Police officials and law enforcement to view law biding citizens as the enemy and terrorists as the victims? (Been to the airport lately?).

We need look no further than Britain. This nation of moonbats is entering the terminal stages of civil deconstruction. From the ever fascinating Daily Mail:

Man who claimed Paddington train crash turned him into a killer can appeal for compensation


A violent killer will be given up to £300,000 in compensation after he blamed the killing on trauma he suffered during the Paddington train crash

Gray, a council administrator, suffered minor injuries when the train he was travelling on was hit head-on by a high-speed intercity train on 5th October 1999.

However, he claims that as a result of the accident his personality was profoundly altered. From being a very passive person, he started to experience bouts of uncontrollable rage.

Diagnosed with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, he became withdrawn, emotionally unstable and his relationship with his girlfriend deteriorated."

In August 2001, John Boultwood, a father-of-two, drunkenly wandered in front of Gray's car and hammered on his window.Gray, from Tilbury in Essex, started to punch and kick the 42-year-old welder, then stabbed him repeatedly with a kitchen knife.


Was this fellow traveling with the knife?

No. He went home to get it, came back and stabbed the drunk who was lying there. For this, a sympathetic Judge--apparently unaware that Post Traumatic Stress syndrome is not only rare, but virtually non-existent in the described circumstances--awarded him a minimum of $600,000.

Hey! It's somebody else's money after all. But what about the , ah, fellow who died?
Who cares?

The decision was greeted with outrage and dismay by the family of Gray's victim.

Mr Boultwood's mother Edith Sinclair, 74, said: "I can't believe it. So he will get rich by killing a person? How can that man blame it on the crash? It was two years after. He went and got a knife and came back. He knifed my Jonny seven times."


This incident is by no means isolated. From the same paper:


Former soldier arrested for kidnap after his citizen's arrest on yob who pelted his home with eggs


(Frank McCourt: He says he has been 'put through months of hell')

When Frank McCourt's home was targeted by young hooligans hurling rocks and eggs, he challenged them and told them to leave and never return.

But the next day they came back so Mr McCourt, a former soldier, tried to phone the police but was put on hold for 45 minutes.

At the end of his tether, he grabbed one of the louts by the arm and hauled him inside, telling him he was performing a citizen's arrest.

But it was Mr McCourt who was arrested later that day - for kidnap.
The 57-year-old spent six weeks on bail before being charged with the lesser offence of assault. "

"A Sussex police spokesman said: 'An allegation was made and officers duly investigated the facts reported to police. A file was presented to the Crown Prosecution Service in accordance with procedure.


Related:
Brave grandma arrested after standing up to yobs
* Nanny State: Squeezing the Zest for Life Out of the British
*Nanny State Squeezing Zest out of the British


A wild guess here: it is easier to deal with a law biding, compliant citizen that actual criminals, regardless of their age. It is generally believed in this country that the crime rates in Britain are decidedly less than here in America.

This is untrue. The reported crime rate in Britain, with the exception of murder by firearms, is far higher.

And that is only the reported rates. in many instances the Police in Britain--and in fact most of the EU--are under no obligation to file reports and, in fact, discourage the same by the shenanigans detailed here.

Meet the future Of American Justice.

by pat
images:
* sparklingrose
* teachwithmovies
sources:
* Paddington Train Crash Killer wins Appeal
* Former soldier arrested kidnapping citizens arrest

Tuesday, December 4, 2007

Megan Meier MySpace Suicide: Conversation Between Fake Lori Drew & Internet Commenters, Part I


Lori Drew or Internet Troll?

Are we seeing a conversation between Lori Drew, Internet hoaxer, and hundreds of Internet surfers?

Or is this another hoax?

In either case, the reading is riveting. On one side is the author of the 'Megan Had Coming' Blog, which appeared on the weekend the Megan Meier story broke across the country.

Originally, the author identified herself as "Kristen", supposedly an acquaintance of Megan Meier, before the 13-year-old committed suicide in 2006. The author then posted, what she claimed, was a "true picture of Megan".

---BREAKING: 12-4-07 2:00 pm EST
Drew's Lawyer: Drew Knew, Didn't Stop It VIDEO REPORT

NOW the same blog, after largely being inactive, has another post. This one is titled "I'm Lori Drew". It purports to be from the hoax-instigating mother, Lori Drew.

Is it?

Is "Kristen" really Lori Drew?

In our earlier story, "Lori Drew, Author of 'Megan Had it Coming' blog? , we reported on the "I'm Lori Drew" post.

There are now over 800 comments to that post at Megan Had it Coming, as well as a running verbal battle between the post's author and Internet commenters.

Once again, is this Lori Drew?

We can't know if it really is or if it's the elaborate work of a "troll", claiming to be Ms. Drew.

The timing of the posts argue against a troll. If it had been someone seeking attention, rather than justification for their actions, the stories would have been posted before this--at the height of press attention and the reactionary outrage.

We present the first in a running commentary between the author claiming to be Lori Drew and her readers.

Anonymous said...

Wrong is wrong, whether or not it's technically legal. You victimized a person a quarter of your age and you feel not one iota of remorse. just relief that you won't be charged and resentment that the rest of the world won't just let it go.

December 3, 2007 10:22 AM

You have it coming said...

You are one sick, twisted woman. Don't cry victim when you have a blog called "magen had it coming". Give me a break. You brought all of this on yourself by misleading someone who by your own admission had "issues" but you continued to do it anyway. You, your daughter, your tdmp worker all deserve whatever hard times come upon. My only regret is that your husband, if he knew nothing about it, will be guilty by association. In fact maybe he may think about divorcing you, since you yourself seem to have the same dark side that Megan had.

December 3, 2007 10:31 AM

Kelly said...
If you had been 15 when you did all this, I would have understood. I would have had the reaction I think you intended when you wrote this.

But you were not 15. You were giving a 13-year-old girl a "taste of her own medicine." Which means you, a grown woman who is supposed to help her own 13-year-old grow up, thought it was perfectly acceptable to act like a 13-year-old herself.

I think you believe that people care what Megan did, how innocent she was or was not. I don't. I think most people think there is nothing a 13-year-old girl could do that warrants a grown adult initiating a set of events intended to harass and bully her.

Your explanation is the equivalent of "a ten-year-old bully beat up my eleven-year-old on the playground, so my 35-year-old husband beat the crap out of that ten-year-old." Because you knew that Megan suffered from depression. You knew that emotionally, she was weaker than you and weaker than your daughter. Yet you chose to take advantage of that weakness, and justify that by saying "she started it."

I think you need help. Your explanation is far worse than I had anticipated. I had reserved judgment believing that perhaps you had nothing to do with the bullying. Perhaps you already felt guilt and remorse. What you wrote here is far, far worse than I could have imagined.

and by the way, people do not have to be unbalanced to destroy a foosball table that belongs to a GROWN ADULT who bullied their daughter. Unbalanced, they would have done far worse. I think they showed amazing restraint.

December 3, 2007 10:31 AM

Anonymous said...
Those responding should be aware that this woman is baiting you to respond in a mean way because she plans to use the new law to pursue YOU. Ooooops, outted again Mrs. Drew.

December 3, 2007 10:35 AM

Megan Had It Coming said...

YOU'RE NOT LISTENING TO ME! It's not like we set out to "beat up a 10 year old." Just to give her a taste of what she was doing to others. BUT IT GOT OUT OF CONTROL WHAT PART OF THAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND????

The only thing worse than the media is the mob mentality shown on these 1,000+ comments. People don't listen, they don't think, they don't analyze, they don't understand.

GET THIS THROUGH YOUR HEAD I DIDN'T KILL MEGAN I DID WHAT ANY REASONABLE PARENT IN MY POSITION WOULD HAVE DONE WHY WON'T YOU PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THIS????

December 3, 2007 10:35 AM

Dee said...
I'M SORRY. Lori, say it. I'M SORRY.

December 3, 2007 10:40 AM

Anonymous said...
You are one sick bitch. Goddamn you.

December 3, 2007 10:43 AM

Anonymous said...
Ok, this is the real problem. kids at that age are cruel, we all went through it, we've all seen it, we've all experienced it. You are an adult with a developed mind and the ability to understand where your actions may lead. Most 13 year olds can't think past next week let alone understand the real pain they inflict, but you can. Also to pretend to be someone else and say she "had it coming"....my god what even justifies that? Does any child deserve to be ridiculed or slandered against? No, but it happens and thats life in the awkward teenage years. Its about communication with your kids about even though what other kids say and how hurtful things are, none of it really matters. Although most teenagers think this is a line of shit, which seems like it can be at times. But on the flip side no adult or parent should ever attack any child mentally, which is what you did. You may not have typed the key strokes, but you were the mastermind behind them. Aside from the fact she was clinically depressed, something you knew. You're extremely lucky no charges will be brought, but whats worse, prison or the stigma of having the blood of a child on your hands? Guess only you will know that for the rest of your life. All the verbal attacks and actions by the community you brought on upon yourself, you made your bed and now you must lie in it. Nothing you can say will EVER sway the fact that you started a my-space page to enter into communications with a child with the sole purpose to trick her. Its to bad someone had to die, what if it was your little girl hanging in her closest...what would you do then?

December 3, 2007 10:44 AM

Anonymous said...

If you feel badly about what happened, about the fact that a young girl took her life, that two parents lost a daughter, why would you name your blog "Megan had it coming" that sounds to me like you wanted it to happen and that you don't feel regretful that it went the way it did. If you knew the girl was unstable why would you destroy her self esteem further? You seem happy and smug about the whole situation... not like someone who made a mistake and took it too far. You should be ashamed of yourself and your children should be taken away from you so they can have someone that will teach them to live a good life instead of one of revenge and spite.

December 3, 2007 10:44 AM

Bob said...
So let's get this straight. You're a mature, reasonably intelligent, presumably educated adult. You knew Megan was a mentally unstable adolescent who often displayed extreme unreasonable reactions. And you deliberately concocted a scenario that would result in this girl's public humiliation. You may not be technically guilty of murder, and Internet harassment may not be illegal in Missouri. But you certainly are guilty of intentional depraved indifference. You may not have wanted Megan to kill herself, but you clearly wanted to cause her harm. Your actions were clearly a cause that had the effect of Megan's suicide, however much you may wish to deny it. I hope no violence comes against you. However, I believe your fate will be to lose your business and your husband's, and you will be a pariah for years. And I think you deserve that fate.

December 3, 2007 10:45 AM

You have it coming said...
To state you had no direct role in Megan's suicide proves you are a sociopath. You actions of creating the Myspace account, allowing other the ability to post message from it, directly lead to Megan taking her own life.

You also seriously need parenting classes. No reasonable parent would try to dupe a 13 year old girl with the help of her daughter and a temp worker by pretending to be a 13 year old boy. Then bring others into the scam once it was exposed so they could also try to enact mob bullying. You are reaping what you have sewn.

Considering that after the suicide you tried to bury it all, deleting the Myspace account, telling people to keep quite, etc... would indicate a criminal conspiracy had certain circumstances been different.

December 3, 2007 10:46 AM

Dee said...

Also, if this was all done because you had such a problem with internet bullying and rumors, then why DO internet bullying and rumors? If you thought her behavior was so wrong, then why would you do it and encourage others to also? Either lying and bullying are wrong or they are not. Everyone seems to know the answer to these questions but you.

December 3, 2007 10:47 AM

Anonymous said...

"I DID WHAT ANY REASONABLE PARENT IN MY POSITION WOULD HAVE DONE"

No, you did not. Any reasonable parent would have told their child that relationships change and that if they were really hurt by those changes that they could come to their parent and talk about it. No reasonable parent would do the heinous things you have done, then attempt to demonize the victim and thier family, then brag about getting off scot-free.

December 3, 2007 10:49 AM

Anonymous said...
How old are you? Great work, justifying how you, as an adult, bullied a teenage girl- and not even feeling sorry at all for her death. Your daughter must be so proud of you.

December 3, 2007 10:49 AM

Anonymous said...
This latest post raises an interesting question if you are truly Lori Drew.

If your relationship with the Meier family had turned so acrimonious, why did you ask their favor in storing the Foosball table for Christmas?

That doesn't seem to add up in your "version" of the story.

December 3, 2007 10:51 AM

Anonymous said...
Someone tell me the Meiers are going to file a civil suite against these people...

December 3, 2007 10:52 AM

Anonymous said...
The title of this blog says it all: "Megan had it coming."
Wow. You are possibly the most callous person I have ever heard about. I am amazed that you can justify your actions as a parent and adult. This is behavior that can be expected of a teenager, but for a parent, it's just sad. You set a fine example for your daughter!

December 3, 2007 10:53 AM

Anonymous said...

No "reasonable" parents would set out to give a 13 year old girl a taste of her own medicine. Nor would a "reasonable" parent set up a blog entitled "meganhaditcoming". It's disturbing that you would ever have the lack of judgment to go through with this harassment in the first place. Perhaps it's even more disturbing that you have set about trying to justify your actions. You place the blame on Megan's mental state, but that just makes it even more horrifying that you would treat a mentally unstable child in such a cruel way. I have my doubts over the legitimacy of this blog, but if any of this is actually written by Lori Drew, I am deeply disturbed by your lack of remorse and hope that somehow justice is served.

December 3, 2007 10:56 AM

Anonymous said...
GOOD GOD WOMAN. How many fake online identites, myspaces, blogs do you have?????

December 3, 2007 10:57 AM

Megan Had It Coming said...
YOU PEOPLE STILL ARENT LISTENING!!!!!

Any reasonable parent would have told their child that relationships change and that if they were really hurt by those changes that they could come to their parent and talk about it.

It wasn't just a friendship going sour. Megan was systematically harassing and manipulating my daughter! Separating them was not enough. What would you have done? You can't go to the police, the other parents won't listen, WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE DONE??

I did the only thing I could do. Unfortunately, Megan chose to make this a tragedy for everyone involved by killing herself.

December 3, 2007 11:00 AM

Anonymous said...

You knew Megan had problems or was troubled. Instead of using the fake profile to do this kind of damage why didn't you try to convince her to get help and become a better friend to those she had upset? I do not wish anything bad upon you but what goes around comes around!

December 3, 2007 11:01 AM

Megan Had It Coming said...

why didn't you try to convince her to get help and become a better friend to those she had upset

YOU THINK I DIDNT TRY???? I'm not one to parent others' kids but I tried talking to Megan on several occasions when her behavior disturbed me. She blew me off. She accused me of trying to sabotage her friendship. Instead of listening, she became angry. Just like her parents.

December 3, 2007 11:05 AM

Dee said...
If you truly believe that "systematically harassing and manipulating" is so wrong, then WHY DO YOU DO IT?


December 3, 2007 11:06 AM
You have it coming said...
"You can't go to the police" You must be the most ignorant person capable of blogging. The police are your second step in any situation between two children after confronting the parents about any problem. But you instead resort to your own version of internet vigilantism. I said it before; you are reaping what you have sewn.

December 3, 2007 11:07 AM


Is this Lori Drew?

Surely no one could be this callow and petty.

But then, surely no one would set up an account on MySpace for the purpose of the online harassment of a 13-year-old neighbor girl she'd known was suffering from depression.

Surely, no one would file destruction of property charges against the suffering parents of the victim, upon learning of their reactionary destroying of a foosball table.

Surely.

Everyone will have their own opinion. One opinion here: it's probably Drew, if the reports of "no remorse", by neighbors who knew Drew longer and observed during the last year, are to be believed.

Maybe her advertising business is suffering from a loss of revenue and she now feels it's time to answer some of her critics.

This is Part I. More to follow.

by Mondoreb & LBG
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