Obama, Ahmadinejad, Hitler, Munich: Negotiating with Madmen for Dummies

Obama and Meeting Ahmadinejad without Pre-Conditions
Negotiating with Madmen 101
Can anyone say "Munich"?





Barack Obama wants to negotiate with Iranian nutjob, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad--without pre-conditions. Obama tried to muddy the waters on the subject during the first presidential debate, saying that John McCain "mischaracterized" his position.

But, it's right there on barrackobama.com:

“Obama supports tough, direct presidential diplomacy with Iran without preconditions.”

Never mind that the Europeans have been talking to Ahmadinejad for years--predictably, with no results. Obama thinks that, like George Bush, he has the ability to look into the souls of the soul-less.

Negotiating with Iran for Dummies





The title of this video is "ZUCKER TAKES ON THE IRAQ STUDY GROUP AND JAMES BAKER", but it might well be "Negotiating with Madmen 101".

David Zucker produced Airplane!, the Naked Gun movies, Scary Movie 3 & 4 and a new movie, An American Carol.

An American Carol pokes fun at the Left--something rare for a Hollywood movie made after 1962--and it's funny, in the humble opinion of everyone here who's seen the trailers.



An American Carol comes out Friday, October 3. The movie's release raises many questions.

Will it be successful?

If it is successful, will Hollywood make more movies making fun of the Left?

Check back Monday, October 6. That's when the weekend's box office results will be in and DBKP will track the movie's performance.

As for Barack Obama and Ahmadinejad?

One would never lose money betting that Obama won't do what's best for Obama--and that includes waltzing with a guy who wants to nuke Israel and America the first chance he gets.


by Mondo

Barack Obama Supports Ahmadinejad Talks with No Pre-conditions

Obama and Meeting Ahmadinejad
Debate: Not for a Meeting without Pre-Conditions
Obama's Website: For a Meeting without Pre-Conditions




Is Barack Obama for or against meeting Iranian president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, without pre-conditions?

Depends on when Obama's asked the question.

During the first presidential debate, Obama certainly sounded like it was preposterous for John McCain to even suggest that Obama would meet the man who's vowed to "wipe Israel off the map" without pre-conditions.

From Marc Ambinder: In July of 2007, Barack Obama was asked by a video questioner: "Would you be willing to meet separately, without precondition, during the first year of your administration, in Washington or anywhere else, with the leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea?....."

"I would," he answered.

When Senator Hillary Clinton attacked Obama over that stance, Obama operative, David Axelrod started the backing and filling.

"What he meant was, as a government, he’d be willing and eager to initiate those kinds of talks, just as during the Cold War there were low-level discussions and mid-level discussions between us and the Soviet Union and so on. So he was not promising summits with all of those leaders."

A visit to barrackobama.com says the exact opposite, however.

"Obama supports tough, direct presidential diplomacy with Iran without preconditions."

From Yes, Obama supports direct presidential talks with Ahmadinejad:

In friday's debate, Obama continuously denied that he supported direct talks with president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad without preconditions. According to Obama's own website:

Diplomacy: Obama supports tough, direct presidential diplomacy with Iran without preconditions. Now is the time to pressure Iran directly to change their troubling behavior. Obama and Biden would offer the Iranian regime a choice. If Iran abandons its nuclear program and support for terrorism, we will offer incentives like membership in the World Trade Organization, economic investments, and a move toward normal diplomatic relations. If Iran continues its troubling behavior, we will step up our economic pressure and political isolation. Seeking this kind of comprehensive settlement with Iran is our best way to make progress.

It's no wonder that Obama runs from positions he took when he was trying to win the Democrat nomination--he had to appeal to the DailyKOS/Code Pink wing of the party. During the national election, he has to appeal to a much broader electorate.

But according to his own website, Obama would meet with Ahmadinejad without pre-conditions.

Ahmadinejad has repeatedly stated that he will "wipe Israel off the map" the moment Iran possesses the nuclear capability to do so. Some on the Left has said that Ahmadinejad did not really say that--that he was merely quoting the Ayatollah Khomeini. Google "myth of wiping Israel off the map" and over 57,000 results are returned.

At the same appearance in Tehran, Ahmadinejad also spoke of the "fairy tale of the Holocaust".

"Now in the West insulting the prophet is allowed, but questioning the Holocaust is considered a crime," he said, accusing Europaeans of not allowing "neutral scholars" to investigate "the truth about the fairy tale of Holocaust."

Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad today echoed his earlier threats to "wipe Israel off the map" by telling a mass demonstration in Tehran, commemorating the 27th anniversary of the Islamic Revolution, that Palestinians and "other nations" will remove Israel from the region...

Meanwhile, the crowd chanted, "Death to America," "Death of Israel," "Death to Denmark."

Ahmadinejad doesn't want to annihilate Israel; John McCain "mischaracterized" Obama's position.




Ahmadinejad did say he would "remove" Israel from the region--as many maps in the Arab world have already done.

It little wonder the Mainstream Media doesn't fact-check Barack Obama: first, he's their chosen candidate; second, pinning down a lawyer on exactly what he stands for or against is no easy task--even when you're trying.

Obama has said--more than once-- he would meet Ahmadinejad "without pre-conditions".
Regardless of what Obama said in the first presidential debate--on national TV, trying to appeal to a national audience--he's still insisting on his own website, that a no pre-conditions meeting is his position.


by Mondo
hat tip: rizzuto
image: Alex Wong; CNN

Ahmadinejad in NYC, Dan Rather Lawsuit, TimeCop Hugo Chavez

One Year Ago
September 19-20, 2007




September 19, 2007

* CHAVEZ ORDERS TIME TO STAND STILL-VENEZUELA TO COMPLY “Call Me Kooky, But I Know What I Want”


* DAN RATHER SUES CBS NEWS: $70m Will Help Ease The Pain
"I Coulda Been a Contender"


Cox & Forkum


* WHORES OF THE CALIPHATE MAY ESCORT AHMADINEJAD TO GROUND ZERO Bloomberg: “I Wanna Be Your Dog”


* HILLARYCARE 2.0-More Government - More of the Time More Stealthy than Ever!

* ISRAEL DECLARES GAZA AN ENEMY ENTITY-It’s About Time


September 20, 2007


GOOD THING AHMADINEJAD DOESN'T BELIEVE IN THE GOLDEN RULE
He'd Never Set Foot Near Ground Zero
Mark Steyn's Take on the Iranian Nutbag



by Mondoreb

Mark Steyn got it exactly right about Ahmadinejad's NYC visit during his weekly interview on the Huge Hewitt show on Townhall.com.

MS: I think the correct attitude to these things is a very simple one. Under the agreement by which the United Nations sits in New York City, the United States cannot deny entry to any foreign head of state. That being so, he should land at the airport, he should go directly to the United Nations, and no state or municipal or other officials should offer him these courtesies in any way. This would be a disgusting photo op that he would use to his advantage back home. And the City of New York should not be cooperating with him.

Steyn gives Mitt Romney a plug concerning Romney's stand against a previous Iranian President.

MS: That’s right. If he wants to see the results of Islamist terrorism, there are a lot of places he can visit much nearer to home. In fact, Mitt Romney, one of the best things he ever did was to deny the state troopers protection facility to Ahmadinejad’s predecessor when he was invited to speak at Harvard. And Mitt Romney had the right line on this. If Harvard wanted to issue these idiotic invitations, that’s up to them. But the taxpayers of Massachusetts are not going to fund the visit by providing protection for these guys. And in the end, the event was cancelled. And that’s exactly the line that the state of New York should be taking, too.

Ordinary Americans will be shocked to discover there are officials in NYC who see nothing wrong with giving Ahmadinejad a key to the city. It's up to those same ordinary Americans to let New York City know exactly how they feel.

In a world of perfect karma, Ahmadinejad would be captured by American "students" and held hostage for over a year, paraded before TV cameras and threatened almost daily with death.

Quoted in:
Mark Steyn on the Corner at NROnline
Conservative Grapevine
Power Line
Small Dead Animals
Snarky Bastards
SarcastiPundit
Politically Uncensored
Kesher Talk


TO AHMADINEJAD: YOU CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT - But Don't Piss Off Homer!




* SUE CBS: DAN WOULD RATHER-One of His Better Decisions
--Strange Dan Rather quotes


* IRANIAN OFFICER SEIZED IN IRAQ

Iranian Denials to Follow: ”He Was a Tourist With Explosive Inclinations”

by Mondoreb

By now, everyone knows their parts: Iranian is captured by U.S. forces in Iraq, Iran issues denials, the Europeans and the UN will issue calls "to remain calm" and more Americans fighting in Iraq will die.

US-led forces in Iraq say they have arrested an Iranian officer operating in the north of the country.
They say the man was a member of the Quds Force - an elite unit of Iran's Revolutionary Guards - and was detained in the Kurdish city of Sulaimaniya.

"This individual has been involved in transporting improvised explosive devices," the American military said.
More on this BBC story.

It's perfectly OK for Iran to be operating in Iraq trying to kill American soldiers--if they had the balls to declare war. Since they don't, it's only fitting that the 'cowboys from the U.S.' do it for them. And do it before they become nuclear-armed.
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One year ago at DBKP.

by Mondo

Mahmoud's Mission: 20 Quotes on the Coming Ahmadinejad Apocalypse

20 Ahmadinejad Quotes on his Apocalyptic Vison


“I am decisively announcing to the whole world that if the world-devourers [i.e., the infidel powers] wish to stand against our religion, we will stand against their whole world and will not cease until the annihilation of all them. Either we all become free, or we will go to the greater freedom which is martyrdom. Either we shake one another’s hands in joy at the victory of Islam in the world, or all of us will turn to eternal life and martyrdom. In both cases, victory and success are ours.”

--Ayatollah Khomeini, quoted in an 11-grade Iranian schoolbook

The 2008 election contests have taken the spotlight off of Iranian president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad lately in the United States.

Ahmadinejad has put the spotlight back on himself the last several days.

In a speech on Sunday, Ahmadinejad reminded those who urge "negotiations" with Iran that there will be no negotiations--if the country is Israel.

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said on Sunday that Tehran wants expansion of relations with all nations and countries, except the "illegitimate Zionist Regime."

This would make sense, as Ahmadinejad has more than once vowed to "wipe Israel off the map."

Why negotiate with a country that will no longer exist--if he has anything to do with it?

On Monday, he spoke to crowds in Tehran on the 29th anniversary of the Islamic revolution in Iran.

This speech was also a reminder to those who think "negotiations" are the answer.

Hard-line President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad struck a defiant tone as he spoke to giant crowds marking the 29th anniversary of the Islamic revolution Monday, vowing never to slow down nuclear development and announcing plans for more rocket launches in Iran's space program.

Hundreds of thousands of demonstrators marched through the capital Tehran, chanting "Death to America" and burning effigies of President Bush and Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert.

All this could be dismissed as the rantings of a deranged madman--there are certainly no shortage of those in the Middle East--except that Ahmadinejad is deadly serious about a couple of things: the destruction of Israel and his Apocalyptic world view that manifests itself in the coming of the 12th Imam.

The 12th Imam and the Mahdi are Ahmadinejad obsessions.

The Mahdi, according to Shi'ite tradition, will arise at some point before the day of judgement, institute a kingdom of justice, and will in the last days fight alongside the returned Isa Al-Maseeh (Jesus) against the Dajjal, the Antichrist.

Shi'as believe that Muhammad al-Mahdi will reappear when the world has fallen into chaos and civil war emerges between the human race for no reason. At this time, it is believed, half of the true believers will ride from Yemen carrying white flags to Mecca, while the other half will ride from Karbala, in Iraq, carrying black flags to Mecca. At this time, Muhammad al-Mahdi will come wielding God's Sword, the Blade of Evil's Bane, Zulfiqar (Arabic: ذو الفقار, ðū l-fiqār), the Double-Bladed Sword.

And lest any compare him to Christians who believe in the prophesies of the Bible's Book of Revelation, the Iranian president has put his money--or rather Iran's--where his mouth is.

As mayor of Tehran, for example, Mr. Ahmadinejad appears to have in 2004 secretly instructed the city council to build a grand avenue to prepare for the Mahdi.

And Ahmadinejad will soon be the Iranian with his finger on Iran's nuclear trigger.
From a December 2005 piece by Charles Krauthammer.

But it gets worse. The president of a country about to go nuclear is a confirmed believer in the coming apocalypse. Like Judaism and Christianity, Shiite Islam has its own version of the messianic return -- the reappearance of the Twelfth Imam. The more devout believers in Iran pray at the Jamkaran mosque, which houses a well from which, some believe, he will emerge.

When Ahmadinejad unexpectedly won the presidential elections, he immediately gave $17 million of government funds to the shrine. Last month Ahmadinejad said publicly that the main mission of the Islamic Revolution is to pave the way for the reappearance of the Twelfth Imam.

And as in some versions of fundamentalist Christianity, the second coming will be accompanied by the usual trials and tribulations, death and destruction. Iranian journalist Hossein Bastani reported Ahmadinejad saying in official meetings that the hidden imam will reappear in two years.

At his U.N. speech in September of last year, Admadinejad said, ""O mighty Lord, I pray to you to hasten the emergence of your last repository, the Promised One, that perfect and pure human being, the one that will fill this world with justice and peace."

And when he returned to Iran, he stated, "one of our group told me that when I started to say "In the name of God the almighty and merciful," he saw a light around me, and I was placed inside this aura. I felt it myself. I felt the atmosphere suddenly change, and for those 27 or 28 minutes, the leaders of the world did not blink. … And they were rapt. It seemed as if a hand was holding them there and had opened their eyes to receive the message from the Islamic republic."

All this talk of the Apocalypse even has some Iranian mullahs worried.

[S]ome Iranian clerics quietly say they are worried about a leader who has become the foremost public advocate of Iran's nuclear program. "Some of us can understand why you in the West would be concerned," a young mullah here told me last week. "We, too, wonder about the intentions of those who are controlling this nuclear work."

In August of 2007, Ahmadinejad gave a series of speeches concerning his Apocalypic visions.

Here are 20 quotes taken from those speeches, given August 18-29.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's Apocalyptic Vision




"The Hidden Imam is heir to everything that has been good and beautiful throughout history, and the call [to await his coming] is a call [to have faith] in the missions of the divine prophets, in monotheism, and in justice."

--August 25-26, 2007

"In these days, humanity longs for monotheism and justice. With God's grace, the [preparations] for a flood of compassion, truth and justice will soon be complete."

--August 25-26, 2007

"The message of Mahdism, which calls [to believe] in the Savior [i.e. the Hidden Imam], brings hope and joy to people [throughout the world]. [It is] a message of steadfastness and patience and of resisting the oppressors [i.e. the West, headed by America]; it is a message of submission [to God] and of the pursuit of justice and honor. The current situation in the world has led the nations to reject in disgust the rule of the oppressors."

--August 25-26, 2007

"Now is the time to invite people to accept the rule of the righteous, and [especially that] of the most righteous of [rulers] - the Hidden Imam."

--August 25-26, 2007

"Today's imperialist forces give humanity nothing by forcing wars [upon it], plundering its resources, violating [human] rights, issuing threats, trampling human dignity and [spreading] corruption, vice and insecurity."

--August 25-26, 2007

"The oppressors and tyrants are responsible for all the difficulties and problems currently faced by the nations, and the only way to establish justice is through popular uprising and determined resistance in the face of these oppressors."

--August 25-26, 2007

"[The day] of these aggressors... who are oppressing and controlling the nations, is now coming to an end."

--August 25-26, 2007

"Those who [seek to] distract the people with materialistic philosophy of one kind or another, and who pursue materialism, have brought humanity nothing but despair and deception."

--August 25-26, 2007

"The time of the righteous rulers will come, and the most righteous of rulers, [i.e. the Hidden Imam], will form a government and thereby instate the monotheism of Abraham [throughout the world]. That day is not far away."

--August 25-26, 2007

"Our enemies naturally feel threatened by the call to [believe in] the Mahdi, for they do not want people to think about justice. But our reply to them is that the era of the aggressive [powers] has come to an end. We believe that it is time for the righteous to rule, and for humanity to be properly [re]born out of love, knowledge, and spirituality."

--August 25-26, 2007

"Today we must prepare ourselves to discharge the responsibility [placed] upon us... which transcends the [boundaries of the] Muslim world."

--August 18-19, 2007

"Islam is the truth. This truth was only partly revealed in Judaism and Christianity, but is fully revealed in Islam."

--August 18-19, 2007

"Today, as ever, the world needs the Hidden Imam, [for] it is suffering under the yoke of dishonest [rulers]."

--August 18-19, 2007

"Our mission transcends the geographical boundaries of the Muslim [world]. Our clerics have a responsibility to call upon humanity as a whole to [embrace] the [true] monotheism and the rule of monotheistic principles."

--August 18-19, 2007

"The current problems faced by the world result from [the rule] of unworthy rulers."

--August 28, 2007

"The ultimate solution is to replace these unworthy regimes and rulers, and to establish the rule of the Hidden Imam."

--August 28, 2007

"Those who are not versed in [the doctrine of Mahdism] believe that the return [of the Hidden Imam] will occur only in a very long time, but, according to the divine promise, [his return] is imminent."

--August 28, 2007

"The Iranian nation and the Islamic Revolution have a pivotal role in preparing the ground for the coming of the Hidden Imam."

--August 29, 2007

"We must rapidly develop Iran in order to create the [right] conditions for his [the Hidden Imam's] coming, and we must also help the rest of the world's nations [to prepare for his return], in order to precipitate this great event."

--August 29, 2007

"The responsibility that currently rests on Iran's [shoulders] is very heavy; it is the kind of mission [with which] the divine prophets [were entrusted]. It does not permit us to rest or slumber even for a moment. Have you ever seen a prophet take a rest from the fulfillment of his mission?"

--August 29, 2007

20 reasons why any "negotiations" with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad will ultimately prove fruitless.

How can a man negotiate away that which is foretold?

by Mondoreb
images:
* blogforpeace
* slydawg
* swordattheready
Sources:
* Ahmadinejad: The Return of the Mahdi is Imminent
* The Madhi
* The Twelfth Imam
* In Iran, Arming for Armageddon
* The Mystical Menace of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
* Nuclear Iran means Nuclear War
* Iran Won't Stop Enrichment
* Ahmadinejad: Iran want relations with all countries except ”illegitimate” Israel



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A Wish for Mahmoud

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Ahmahdinejad and Saudi King Abdulaziz: Culture Clash

A picture speaks a thousand words...

This photo was from today's Iran Daily. Two guys, walking hand and hand. One of them, the President of Iran, Ahmahdinejad, the other, King Abdulaziz of Saudi Arabia. [1]

A difference of cultures, a different way of life. If this had been President Bush and France's President Sarkozy...

By LBG
Source - Iran Daily - Call for Consolidating Persian Gulf Ties

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Spooky Halloween Political Pictures:PIXELANEOUS #15

A trick-or-treat break on Halloween. Here's the spookiest pictures of people in the news we could find. From Jason bin-Laden to Evil Dick Cheney to Evilly Clinton, if you don't find one of these that scare you, you aren't paying attention to the news.


Maureen Dowd's next New York Times column?


Frankindinejad?


To her opponents, she's Evilly Clinton


No wonder they can't find Jason bin-Laden


Palestinians and Israelis alike fear the Condi Witch


Three famous witches prepare toil and trouble for a favorite foe


Everyone's favorite Nobel Prize-winning Enviromentalist

by Little Baby Ginn
& Mondoreb

See more great Halloween Spookies at Freaking News.
Yesterday's PIXELANEOUS:
Contented Cows?



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Ahmadinejad & 9/11: Interview Confirms His PR Desires to Use Ground Zero As Propaganda

Compiled by Mondoreb

Sometimes, after reading, it's hard to boil it down any more than it has been. On the TV interview with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Iranian president, one feels this way.
From Little Green Footballs:

Iranian thug-in-chief Mahmoud Ahmadinejad explains his reasons for wanting to visit Ground Zero, confirming (as if we needed confirmation) that it was the right decision not to allow this creature anywhere near the site.

The video and Memri TV transcript:

Interviewer: You were supposed to visit the site of the Twin Towers, but this aroused controversy and many objections in their media. What do you think about this?

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: As you know, by spreading lies and by portraying me... For example, they show my picture next to a picture of Bin Laden, or next to tanks and cannons firing and killing people. This is psychological warfare.

9/11 has led to many significant changes. It was used as a pretext to occupy Afghanistan and Iraq. It was the reason for the killing of hundreds of thousands of people. It is only natural for us to respond in an appropriate manner. I wanted to visit there last year, but there was no time for that. So I decided to visit there this year to pay my respect to the casualties and convey my sympathy to the families.

I also wanted to raise several questions and express my views. I wanted to say that in my opinion, this incident is the result of the mismanagement of the world, and the result of the inhuman management of the world. Why did such an incident take place? We need to get to the root causes. We don’t want them to turn this incident, in 20 years’ time, into another false idol like the Holocaust, which they would use as a pretext to kill peoples, and prevent anybody from opening this [Pandora’s] box and examining what really happened in this incident. They might turn 9/11 into something sacred, and whoever does not accept it would be considered an infidel, whereas whoever accepts it would have to accept all the ensuing crimes.

In any event, we must express our views. I believe that this way, we would have formed cordial relations with the American people, and could have opened this issue up for discussion. Well, this is exactly what they want to prevent.

Complete translated video interview at the aforementioned Memri TV.
Spree at Wake Up America next weighed in:

I guess all of our concerns about his using a trip to 9/11 for nothing more than propaganda has been proven beyond a doubt now.

Calling the Holocaust, for anyone that knows anything at all about the holocaust, a "false idol" shows the depth of the lunatic, Ahmadinejad's, denial and insanity.

See-Dubya at Michelle Malkin said:

Good lord. Our worst instincts about the political reasons behind Ahmedinejad’s trip to Ground Zero have just been confirmed, straight from the horse’s, er, mouth.

(viLGF):
And lastly back to LGF for a neat summation:

That last bit is the important part. He clearly wanted to appeal to the far left, and feed their sick self-loathing fantasies, injecting a little more moral equivalence poison into the American bloodstream. And sadly, he would have found no lack of willing listeners among the Troofers and the Daily Kos Nutroots.

On this subject, tt's hard to add much more to all that.

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Those Crazy Madcap Iranians!

Those doggone Iranians reminded RidesAPaleHorse of the fond times of his youth. When Saturday meant The Road Runner matching wits with this familiar favorite pictured above.

They're at it again! It's those darned Iranians! Hold on to your hats, kids! You never know what they'll do next!

by Mondoreb
image: RAPH

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