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Monday, January 7, 2008

SF Zoo Tiger Attack: 30 Memorable Quotes



San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom announced that the city's Recreaction and Parks Department Commission will conduct a series of public hearing on the deadly tiger attack that occurred at the SF Zoo on Christmas Day.

The hearings will begin Friday.
After the hearings, the commission will make a set of recommendations to improve the agreement that allows a nonprofit to run the public zoo, the mayor said. Newsom also directed zoo and city officials to convene an industry peer review team to examine operational and safety protocols, and the city's emergency services department will add a seat on its disaster council for the zoo director.

To mark the SF Mayor's announcement, DBKP has gathered quotes on the tiger attack, from around the Internet and media.

30 quotes on the San Francisco Tiger Attack.

"The hearings should include a review, analysis and any recommendations to improve the lease and management agreement that determines how the zoo runs."
--Statement released by San Francisco Mayor, Gavin Newsom's office.

"When he mentioned that to management at the zoo, he was met with angry denials, that it was not dangerous, that there was no need for concern. He was especially concerned about the grotto walls."
--Dan Bacon, attorney for Lloyd Kraal, who was a maintenance supervisor at the San Francisco Zoo. Kraal filed a lawsuit against the SF Zoo, in which he says the zoo retaliated against him for complaining about the grottos.

"The San Francisco Zoo is a great zoo, it's an accredited AZA member in good standing, and it has our support during this difficult time."
--Statement released by the non-profit Association of Zoos and Aquariums defending its zoo members' self-policing policies. The AZA noted that the Christmas Day tiger attack is the only time in its 84-year history that an escaped zoo animal has killed a visitor.

"It was why we left. Their behavior was disturbing. They kept doing it."
--Zoo patron Jennifer Miller reported that she, her husband and children saw four young men at the big cat grottos and that three of the men were teasing the lions. Ms. Miller said that she called the zoo to report the obvious "taunting--after the attack occurred.

"My son was a wonderful kid."
--Marilza Sousa, the mother of a teenager mauled to death by an escaped tiger, who said she wants people to remember him for the way he lived, not for the frightful way he died.

"Like any other business organization, we provide the information that we're required to by law. As a private not-for-profit, we're not required to make reports or distribute that information."
--San Diego Zoo spokesman Ted Molter, commenting on the possible refusal to release information on animal attacks.

"Zoo goers should have a right to know such information."
-- Wayne Pacelle, president of the Humane Society of the United States, commenting on the possible refusal of zoos to release information on animal attacks.

"[Like] the fox guarding the hen house."
--California state assembly member Lloyd Levine, commenting on the zoo industry's current oversight system.

"[He was a] dancing, happy person" who would always greet her at the front door with a hug and a kiss.
-- Marilza Sousa, interviewed outside the viewing chapel.

"Its investigation has developed nothing that could be considered 'criminal in nature that would lead to charges against the survivors of the attack,' the Dhaliwal brothers."
--San Francisco police source.

"[H]ow this incident happened and what measures are needed to prevent this type of incident from occurring ever again."
--Letter sent today to Larry Martin, president of the city's Recreation and Parks Commission, by SF Mayor Gavin Newsom.

"When you see a tiger, it is always like a dream."
--Indian biologist Ullas Karanth

"[V]irtually impossible."
--Jack Hanna, the director emeritus of the Columbus Zoo, commenting on speculation that a rampaging tiger could have climbed or leaped out of its zoo enclosure in San Francisco. Hanna speculates that visitors could have been fooling around and might have taunted the animal. He says it's even possible they helped it get out, maybe by putting a board in the 20-foot moat surrounding the exhibit.

"He had seen instances where workers could see these tigers jumping almost up there."
--Dan Bacon, attorney for Lloyd Kraal, who was a maintenance supervisor at the San Francisco Zoo. Kraal filed a lawsuit against the SF Zoo, in which he says the zoo retaliated against him for complaining about the grottos.

"There was no way out through the door," Jenkins said. "The animal appears to have climbed or otherwise leaped out of the enclosure."
--The zoo's director of animal care and conservation, Robert Jenkins, could not explain how the 300-pound tiger escaped. The tiger's enclosure is surrounded by a 15-foot-wide moat and 20-foot-high walls, and the big cat did not leave through an open door, he said.




"Time will tell. For the dead guy and Tatiana, time is no longer a factor."
--DBKP's Little Baby Ginn, on how the tiger might have escaped.

"The idea you kill tigers for what tigers do is simply wrong. This is a human error. The tiger was flawless. Tigers are not dogs."
--pat commenting on DBKP story about the SF Zoo tiger attack.

"Are you suggesting they watch while a tiger eats a man alive? Perhaps they should have brought chairs and some popcorn."
--anonymous, commenting on the same story.

"Those cholos had it coming. It's the process of selection - nature weeding out the stupid and the weak. I checked the kid's myspace website and I'm willing to bet they were high. His last post from Christmas day said his mood was "high"."
--dencio commenting on the same DBKP tiger attack story.

"An empty vodka bottle was also found in a car used by Amritpal Dhaliwal, 19, and his brother, Kulbir, 23, on the day of the mauling, which left 17-year-old Carlos Sousa Jr. dead."

The discoveries could be an indication that the brothers may have taunted the 350-pound Siberian tiger before it leapt from its grotto."
--New York Post source.

"Splitting a bottle of vodka could have contributed to the youth's feeling "high"."
--DBKP source, commenting on reports that an empty vodka bottle was found in the youth's car after the attack.

"Look, we were lucky no one got killed. We should go over our emergency procedures and so forth out here."
--Zoo employee Lloyd Kraal, through his attorney Dan Bacon, to SF Zoo, after the December 2006 attack when trainer Lori Komejan was attacked by Tatiana, the same tiger involved in the fatal Christmas day mauling.

"The boys, especially the older one, were roaring at them. He was taunting them. They were trying to get that lion's attention. ... The lion was bristling, so I just said, 'Come on, let's get out of here' because my kids were disturbed by it."
--Zoo patron Jennifer Miller reported that she, her husband and children saw four young men at the big cat grottos and that three of the men were teasing the lions. Ms. Miller said that she called the zoo to report the obvious "taunting--after the attack occurred.

"Help make the zoo a safe environment," the signs state. "The magnificent animals in the zoo are wild and possess all their natural instincts. You are a guest in their home. Please remember they are sensitive and have feelings. PLEASE don't tap on glass, throw anything into exhibits, make excessive noise, tease or call out to them."
--New sign posted at San Francisco Zoo after it reopened.

"Tigers cannot read."
--DBKP's Little Baby Ginn

"Help make the zoo a safe environment. The weak animals who visit the zoo are wild and possess all their natural instincts. They are a guest in your home. Please remember they can be insensitive and unfeeling. PLEASE don't attack if they tap on glass, throw anything into exhibits, make excessive noise, tease or call out to you."
--Little Baby Ginn's suggested sign to be posted at SF Zoo.

"My son had his hands on the metal bar. All of a sudden, I saw the tiger leap over the moat, put a paw on the dirt (and hang on). I screamed and grabbed my son."
--Marian Roth-Cramer recalling the day she and her son, who was 4 or 5, visited the tiger exhibit in 1997.

"She always does that. She hates my guts."
--Unnamed SF Zoo keeper responding to a patron who was frightened when a tiger leaped over the moat at a small child in 1997.

"That's the way I want everybody to remember him. The way he was—a happy kid."
-- Marilza Sousa, interviewed outside the viewing chapel.

by Mondoreb
Sources:
* Deadly Attack at SF Zoo
* Zoo Walls only 20 Feet; Tigers Can Leap 30
* Tiger Debate Touched Off
* Tigers, Liquor and Slingshots: Bad Ideas
* Blaming the Victims
* City Will Hold Hearings on Tiger Attack
* SF Mayor to Hold Hearings on tiger attack
* Mourners Pay Respects to Victim of Tiger Attack
* Former employee files suit against SF Zoo
* U.S. Zoos' Self-Policing Policies Questioned

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Wednesday, January 2, 2008

Slingshots, Liquor and Tigers: SF Zoo Expected to Discourage Similar Activities in Future

More Proof of a Bad Idea

Christmas won't be the same for Dhaliwal Brothers


Here kitty...


Another Christmas idea we'll see less of as time passes.

According to a source, the two surviving brothers injured in the San Francisco Zoo tiger attack had an empty vodka bottle in their car.

The News came from the New York Post.

What better way to get ready for a day at the zoo?


According to the Post, "An empty vodka bottle was also found in a car used by Amritpal Dhaliwal, 19, and his brother, Kulbir, 23, on the day of the mauling, which left 17-year-old Carlos Sousa Jr. dead, according to the source."

"The discoveries could be an indication that the brothers may have taunted the 350-pound Siberian tiger before it leapt from its grotto."

Taunting is never a good idea, whether babies or tigers.

Although cops and other authorities in the Christmas Day tiger attack have repeatedly stated that they believe no taunting of the tiger occurred, this latest news should cast some doubt on that thesis.

According to information obtained by DBKP, one of the brothers wrote on his MySpace page right before he left for the zoo that he was feeling "high".

According to other sources at DBKP, splitting a bottle of vodka could have contributed to the youth's feeling "high".

Just the thing for putting a spring in the step of a Siberian tiger.


So we have "high" teens, with vodka and slingshots,looking for something interesting to do on a Christmas Day. Plus one tiger wall that was several feet--by best estimates--too low to prevent a fully motivated tiger from leaping over it.

Sounds like a recipe for an attack at a zoo that left one teen dead and two others wounded.
The brothers have not commented since they left a hospital Saturday.

When the zoo opens tomorrow, the tigers will not be on display, as officials work to ensure that their enclosure is safe.


Tigers are more social if not taunted


Regardless of what happened during the attack and the subsequent closing of the tiger exhibit, the power of love cannot be stopped. The Post also reported that special arrangements were made to accommodate one couple.

"Meanwhile, an unidentified couple was allowed to hold their wedding at the zoo last night under tight security. Guests had to clear special checkpoints."

Like most weddings, we'd guess that there may have been after-wedding festivities.

Many such post-wedding activities feature alcoholic drinks, including vodka.

No word as to whether any of the wedding party had slingshots.

by Mondoreb
[image: protigil; photobucket; slingshotdepot; tabu-vodka]
Source: Tiger Brothers Had Slingshots

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Friday, December 28, 2007

SF Zoo Tiger Attack: Tiger Debate Touched Off

How High Can a Tiger Leap?

Is Jumping and Leaping the Same?

Were the SF Zoo Visitors Under the Influence?

Should the Tigers Have been Shot?

Other Questions

USA Human Fatalities Caused by Tigers in Capitivity
During the Last Five Years

Tiger appears to be over 12 feet off the ground

Little Baby Ginn did a story about the San Francisco Zoo tiger attack a few days ago.

In the story, which was breaking at the time she wrote, the media was speculating about how the tigers at the San Francisco Zoo might have escaped.

There were reports of boards being tossed in to help the tigers, guesses about how the tigers may have been taunted, even that someone may have opened the door for the tigers.

Jack Hanna, noted animal "expert" said it was "virtually impossible" for the tigers to have leaped from the tiger enclosure. Like any expert, just when your words get their widest media exposure, that's when you'll most likely to be mistaken.

About the only theory that we didn't read in the media was that someone had slipped the tigers the key--and that one was floating around DBKP.

LBG quickly checked the references on tigers to discover that they could leap 30 feet. At that time, she could only find materials that stated the walls of the Tiger Enclosure at the SF Zoo were at most 20 feet.

Since that story, the zoo director has stated that the walls were only 12.5 feet high.

At any rate, a furious debate on tigers and their leaping abilities and whether a leap is different from a jump was set off in comments and emails.

One email pointed out: "Leaping is across...jumping is up".

Narniaman weighed in with the following.

Uh, don't they mean that the cats can do a 30 foot long jump, and not a 30 foot high jump?

Consider man. The world record for the long jump is nearly 30 feet, but the world record for the high jump is only about 8 feet.

Of course, if the moat is only 20 feet wide, it sounds like a Tiger could jump across that without difficulty.
Pat also had thoughts: not only on the tigers' leaping abilities, but on the loss of the tigers.
It has to be a long jump. Not a 30' high jump. But now we hear the wall is some 7.5' less high than originally claimed. And these idiots baited the tiger. Hard to anger a Tiger. She thought it was a game IMHO. Tigers play by batting. You move, it bats. It's bat is only matched by a bear. Mammalian man eaters= Tiger and a couple of bears. Other mammalian killers of man out of hand= the Hippo and Rhino (irritable bunch)

I have it on very good authority that leg dangling will attract sharks also.

I am pissed we lost a tiger because of a moonbat. this was a breeder too.
Dencio agreed and asked another question.
I agree, what a waste of a magnificent animal. They are an endagered species with only a few thousand left while the illegal immigrant population keeps growing by the millions. We should breed these Tigers to guard the border with mehico. And what about the Tiger's (Tatiana - yes she has a name) family? Has anyone cared whether she had cubs?
Pat had ideas on killing the tiger.
The idea you kill tigers for what tigers do is simply wrong. This is a human error. The tiger was flawless. Tigers are not dogs.
This prompted the following from "Anonymous", a sometimes-frequent poster in tiger debates.
Are you suggesting they watch while a tiger eats a man alive? Perhaps they should have brought chairs and some popcorn.
And then dencio leaped to pat's defense, mentioning something not found in other media accounts: were the SF Zoo visitors impaired on their outing?
Those cholos had it coming. It's the process of selection - nature weeding out the stupid and the weak. I checked the kid's myspace website and I'm willing to bet they were high. His last post from Christmas day said his mood was "high".

And so it went. There was much more, but you'll have to read the comments on the individual stories to get the full flavor.

The tiger attack set off a debate that covered many subjects and ideas and lead to the above picture being sent to us by someone who is still "anonymous" at this point.

Was it right to shoot the tigers?
Were the zoo visitors impaired?
Were the walls too short?

One suspects this is not the last we'll hear of tigers in America.

by Mondoreb
[image: forevertigers

DBKP Growing Library of Tiger Stories
* Tiger Shot in Dallas, Another Found in Harlem
* Deadly Tiger Attack at San Francisco Zoo
* Killer Tiger - San Fran Zoo Wall 12.5 Feet, Tigers Can Leap 30 Feet
* Full Grown Bengal Tiger Found Shot to Death in Dallas

UPDATE:

Human Fatalities Caused by Tigers in Captivity in the USA the Last Five Years

YEAR/State - Relationship to tiger - Comments

December 2007 - California - Visitor killed by a tiger who was out of her cage, while still on the SF Zoo property - Still under investigation as of 12/28/2007

April 2006 - Minnesota - USDA federally licensed private professional owner/trainer herself killed by her tiger - Occupational hazard. MN already has tough regulations on exotic animals-no risk to uninvolved public.

August 2005 - Kansas - 17 year old visitor voluntarily on the property visiting federally licensed private professional USDA facility to have her picture taken with adult tiger which is against USDA rules. - Parents should also be held responsible. Parents sued Exhibitor lost his USDA license and KS enacted tough regulations compared by many to a ban. No risk to uninvolved public.

December 2003 - North Carolina - 10 year boy old killed by his uncle’s pet tiger Parents should be also held responsible. Being killed by a tiger shouldn’t be treated any differently than death by accidents involving other activities. No risk to uninvolved public.

April 2003 - Oklahoma - Tiger killed a handler at professional federally licensed USDA facility Occupational hazard–no risk to uninvolved public.

March 2003 - Illinois - Man killed by his own tigers at his own federally licensed USDA facility Occupational hazard-no public risk. Illinois already heavily regulates private possession of ‘dangerous animals’.

For a complete listing, see Rexano's story and statistics: Human Fatalities Caused by Tigers in Captivity in the USA 2007-1990


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